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2020.10.13 02:48 sexualfishpaste do not take the covid vaccine

Now that everyone is on lockdown, you have all the time in the world to research vaccines. We are heading towards vaccine mandates and where there is risk, there must always be choice. Forced medical interventions using coercion (our freedom) goes against the Constitution, the Nuremberg Code and our basic human rights. Knowledge is power. This post contains a lot of important information everyone should know if you care about yours and your family’s health, medical freedom and true informed consent. Feel free to copy and save this info and you can exercise your own due diligence in looking further into each individual topic. Doctors aren’t taught in school about vaccine ingredients, how to support your immune system naturally, how to identify vaccine injury, adverse reactions or to report them, most haven’t heard of VAERS. They are taught the schedule, when and how to administer them, the antibody response theory in how they ‘work’ and that they’re ‘safe and effective’ and we owe them all the credit for declining diseases. The pro vax argument is quite simple, the “science is settled”, with many vested interests and many contradictions. The other side much more complex with many facets and it personally took me hundreds of hours of reading to retain the information I know, I was PRO vax but started my unbiased research with a completely open mind, although wanting to be right I was completely open to whichever side the truth was on. For years now I’ve extensively looked into BOTH sides to come to my own risk/benefit analysis and ultimately the most important decision for my child’s health which was not taken lightly. My unvaccinated daughter is a picture of health in her organic being that has never been injected with GMOs, neurotoxins and foreign cells, never gets sick, robust immune system, no medical conditions and has always been very developmentally accelerated. At 3 she knows how to write and almost read. No she is not a disease threat to your vaccinated kids. She is healthy. I truly believe with every part of me she would be a different child if she was ‘up to date’. I’ve been passionately speaking out about this for years now (with much backlash and unfriendings lol) in hopes to plant seeds as the future health of generations to come start with our informed choices and knowledge today. Our children today are the sickest we have ever seen (a statistically significant difference to 30 years ago since the amp up of the childhood vaccine schedule) due to chronic illness: allergies, asthma, eczema, autoimmune diseases, developmental delays, seizure disorders, childhood cancer and diabetes, etc. Due to this global crisis I feel that there is a mass awakening happening and people are finally starting to question things 📷 ********* The information below has been copied off someone who chooses to remain anonymous and worked as a nurse for 20 years and a naturopath for 25 years. They have put everything together so well and have touched on all the pertinent topics. ******** Your informed choice re vaccinations & how to decline politely with evidence. In order to decline what is ‘offered’ in regards to the impending covid & all other flu & ‘disease preventative’ vaccines, it is important to be informed or educated about vaccines & vaccinations, so that you can honestly be making an informed decision when you choose not to consent to vaccinations of any kind. Legal disclaimer:- This is not a prescription & I am not making your choice for you. Issue:- The government is pushing through “Mandatory laws,” which they want to roll out in Australia on May 1st . This will make it mandatory for all daycare’s children & parents to have the flu vaccine. After that they will target school children & parents & then will head for all adults. Even if you are a pro-vax family, wouldn't you prefer to have the freedom of choice to choose exactly which vaccines you would like you or your family to have, as if you're travelling overseas & possibly choosing vaccines for diseases that are only current in that country? Or would you rather surrender all your human rights to the government & let the government mandate choosing vaccinations for you? Where would that ‘policing’ for the government stop? Would no vaccination for the flu or other diseases every year, mean you can't renew your passport or driver’s licence? We need freedom to choose around vaccinations. My Focus: To find a way to both share knowledge and appeal for personal & global freedom of choice in regards to any mandatory vaccinations in australia & for any other countries where they try to make this happen. My personal views in regards to vaccinations. I worked as a nurse for 20 years & have now been a naturopath for 25 years. I've supported & treated people with what is happening for their health & respected their choices to vaccinate for diseases & yearly flu shots or not. I've noticed over the years, without any doubt that people who choose to nourish their systems with healthy foods & lifestyles & do not vaccinate, are those that stay most well. Ie. They rarely get sick & if they get a cold for example, it follows a healthy path & is over with, within 5 days. So non vaccinated clients, like vaccinated clients see me to support their healthy lifestyles & to keep an eye on their health proactively; and to empower themselves with personal growth & to deepen their spirituality. However vaccinated clients in comparison, appear to be the more immune challenged individuals. Not only do they have more food allergies, nervous system & immune system problems, organ stress, lowered alertness & generally more health issues, but curiously they also have more companion viruses, bacterias & parasites present. So when it came time for me to look after my own family, it was an easy decision. I made the informed choice to honour the health & bodies of myself & my family, by not putting poisonous particles into our bodies, in the hope that our body’s would ‘get over’ the turbulent shock those vaccinations would create, fast enough to regulate the immune system into a greater awareness of a labelled pathogen. While I understand the well meaning & loosely sensible idea of exposing the body to a little of what could harm it, boosts the immune system’s awareness to it; what scares me, is it is not just the pathogen being injected into the body’s deepest & last line of the immune systems defence. This unnatural way of being exposed to a virus only confuses the body’s homeostasis! The biggest concern I have, is the truth is, the pathogen is not injected in isolation. It is done so with numerous other toxic conjuvents that help it be trapped into the nervous, endocrine & organ systems of a body. So I've instead chosen to boost our immune systems naturally, with great nutrition & holistic healthcare. Because of that informed choice as a family, we have all stayed well. The immune system is: a complex network of cells and proteins inside the body. that defends the body against infection from any microbe (germ) entering from outside the body, ie. viruses, bacteria & parasites. The body has four layers to its immune system that deals naturally with any microbes or pathogens on the outside of the body. First line of defence is : Cilia or hairs in nostrils, the ears, genitals & on the skin that help prevent germs entering the body. Second line of defence is the mucous producing cells we have in every orifice including throat, ears & lungs. Third line of defence: Is the small intestine ( small bowel) walls, which have lymphoid follicle cells & mucosa, ‘Peyer’s patches’ in it’s ileum, which excrete antibodies. Antibodies attack pathogens of any kind entering their territory ie. viruses, bacteria & parasites. Interestingly, a healthy bowel is also full of an array of gut microbes ( mainly bacterias) which play an important role in many areas of a healthy human’s normal development. It has been scientifically discovered that everything from immune system maturation, nervous system function, a healthy heart & digestive system is dependent on these microbes, which work in harmony as a microsystem to create a healthy microflora balance. The body created this balance in the bowel to protect us against any disease. Fourth line of defence:- Bone marrow, lymphatic nodes & spleen - These organs /tissue make most of the white blood cells, which later mature; in the organiser of the immune system, the thymus gland. The thymus gland & parts of the brain help regulate the distribution of these phagocytic cells, to distribute to the lymphatic system & blood. These destroying cells are generally called phagocytes and include many types of white blood cells (such as neutrophils, monocytes, macrophages, mast cells, and dendritic cells). They also include other immune cells called lymphocytes, such as B-cells, T-cells and natural killer cells. These phagocytes & lymphocytes roam through your system launching an attack on any bacteria, viruses, parasites, fungi & even cancer they may find. The immune system keeps its own natural immunisation register. Which is a record of every microbe ( bacteria, fungi, protozoa or virus) that it has ever defeated, so it can recognise and destroy the microbe quickly. if it enters the body again. Abnormalities of the immune system can lead to allergic diseases, immunodeficiencies and autoimmune disorders. Additionally sometimes too much is going on within or around the body that confuses the nervous system & immune system, so the microbes do not get found. Vaccination history & safety We are told that vaccines are tested & safe. We are told that people who do not vaccinate cause harm to people that are vaccinated. But how can this be so for vaccinated people, if the vaccines in them are there to raise someone’s immunity & protect them? On September 7th 2018, Vaccine injury Lawyer Robert Kennedy Jr, who also produced the documentary ‘Vaxxed’, demanded relevant government documentation proving that all federally approved vaccines had been quality tested over the past 32 years. There were none!!! He won that case against the US government, in the United States district court of New York, as he proved that the US department of health & human services & all the vaccine makers had been lying to the public for over 30 years about the effectiveness & safety of vaccines. He pointed out that five of the US healthcare monitoring agencies, the CDC, FDA, IOM NIH & DHHS may also be threatening the existence of state medical boards & exclusive medical guilds like the AMA because of these findings. He pointed out that vaccine makers have been fraudulently exempt from what all other pharmaceutical drug makers have been forced to do concerning biannual recertification for quality & effectiveness - meaning their vaccines had not been tested for over 30 years!!! This case can now be cited by all parents fraudulently mandated by any government’s regulation / requirement that they must vaccinate their children. This case can also be legally cited by all employers being mandated to be vaccinated in order to retain their jobs. This case can now be legally cited by all those who seek compensation for vaccine injury. All government officials who have passed laws legalizing vaccine fraud at the state, or country, have otherwise aided & abetted this vaccine fraud & can now be charged with vaccine fraud, criminal malfeasance & in some cases, war crimes under the Nuremberg Code. Big Pharma & Bill Gates agenda If you are studying vaccine safety, you need to know about Bill Gates’ 'philanthropy’, as his actions against humanity are deeply questionable. Many people now feel Bill is linked with that 1% power & money hungry percentage of billionaires in the population that have historically owned the 6 biggest companies in the world- ie. drug, IT & Oil companies. They have called themselves ‘the Elite, or One world order’.Their power game is they feel they are untouchable. Their passage of power is clear. They want the prestige of world domination. World domination means they will know where everyone is, what they are doing & how they can best control them to make money & profit from their existence. Vaccines, for Bill Gates, are proving to be a form of strategic & disguised philanthropy that are actually feeding his many vaccine & IT related businesses. None of us want to have a trackable ID ( identification) in our body; we are all quite happy to carry our drivers licences & passports with us, thank you very much. Yet Bill Gates has been trialling his nano-technology in humans, hidden in vaccines, as tracers, to record human activity for the impending 5G technology, as part of world domination plans. ID nano sized micro-chips, ie. the size of blood cells in humans, are being hidden in vaccines containing labelled pathogens, eg. polio, along with the other dubious conjuvents. These vaccines are then injected into humans that may be considered by the elite to be of lowered socio-economic status in their lifestyles. ie. Areas like India & Africa. These unsuspecting people, are goaded into being ‘helped with their health’. When they weren’t sick in the first place! They have their own indigeous medicine that they have used for centuries. Why would white men think their ‘trial concoction of medicine’ is any better??? Bill’s greed to ‘save the world his own way’ to boost his notoriety, at first appears messianic, until you learn he combines technology with these already unsafe vaccines & then uses innocent humans as his guinea pigs!!! For those who observe him, his dream appears to be to create for that 1% elite a global vaccination ID enterprise; which would give them dictatorial control over global health policy. Call it what you want, corporate neo-imperialism, making us succumb to authoritarian dictation, abuse, taking away human rights to choose, creating sickness in humans so that the drug companies also owned by that 1% elite can both make money from sick people & track their every action. For example, Bill Gates immorally talked his way into India’s National Advisory Board in the year 2000 & drastically increased the amount of Polio virus vaccines given in India, with those he was funding to be made. The result? A devastating vaccine-strain increase in polio, causing an epidemic that paralyzed 496,000 children between 2000 and 2017. Even WHO had to admit that this epidemic was coming from Gates’ Vaccine Program. By 2018, ¾ of global polio cases were from Gates’ vaccines! Thankfully in 2017, the Indian Government wised up to Bill Gates. minimising the vaccine regime and evicting Bill Gates & his people from the National Advisory Board. Concurrently, Polio paralysis rates dropped. For more than 20 years, WHO (who has been funded by Bill Gates) & Bill Gates have been accused of bullying families of the world into vaccinating & causing vaccine injuries in various countries. ie. The people in remote areas of India, Kenya, Tanzania, Nicaragua, Congo, Philippines, Afghanistan and Mexico are being guinea pigs for their drug companies. Vaccines like HPV, Malaria, Meningococcal, Tetanus & DTP were all trialled there! They have even successfully trialled a sterility vaccine on people who didn't choose to be sterile! These vaccine trials have been causing paralysis, seizures, infertility & febrile convulsions to around ⅕ of all those vaccinated. Areas of Africa where vaccine tests were carried out, also reported that on average, there were 10 times more deaths from vaccinated children, than from their unvaccinated children! Barbaric! Heads up medical establishments, ‘proving harm’ to innocent humans & then hoping you'll find a way for that not to happen, is not a sensible, healthy or kind way to treat Humanity. Can you imagine this nanotechnology as a foreign body, moving into blood systems that regulate nervous systems? It would either be the quantity of nano- technology pieces in the vaccine, ( hoping that one would lodge in a body & survive), or the general size of the nanotechnology, that would block biological pathways & of course cause paralysis in most individuals bodies! Very scary, crazy & unethical WHO & Bill Gates! I hear today in April 2020 President Trump opposed their vaccine tracking system disguised as putting trackable dye, that is invisible to the naked eye, but trackable with cell phones & satellites), on the grounds of personal liberty. He has also recognised that Gates is aggressively propagandizing on behalf of his vaccines throughout the corona pandemic. So he has apparently now kicked WHO & Bill Gates ‘advice’ off his health advisory board & is seeking alternative instruction. Helleluyah!. Thank Goodness they are seeing the light! Their work is not advantageous to anyone’s health! Health is not achievable in a syringe! SO WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THEIR VACCINES ? Simultaneously to the nano-technology, the vaccine conjuvents already in every single vaccine are designed to block neural pathways & confuse the body’s homeostasis so they can't leave the body in a hurry. Eg. aluminium hydrochloride. This leads to a systemic reaction in the body, which can cause a raft of ill- health conditions. Ludicrously, as we aware humans start asking questions about the efficacy of vaccines, Drug companies have removed the ingredient list from vaccine packets, so we can be less informed. Isn't it our human right to know exactly what is being put into our bodies? Here is a list of the toxicants & hazardous chemicals currently being used as conjuvents with the dead or alive viruses in vaccines. Their various polluting particles are capable of literally poisoning organs, cause blood clots, allergic reactions, cardiovascular & respiratory illnesses, immunodeficiencies and autoimmune disorders, autism, nervous system poisoning, blood toxicity, damaging DNA of that body & future generations & some are even carcinogenic in 1 in 5 people. Additionally it is known that we are getting immune to antibiotics, so why would they put them into vaccines? Why would you want to cause toxic shock to someone's immune system by putting any of this ‘shit’ into vaccines?! • Acidity regulators • Aluminium Hydrochloride ( traps the vaccine leaving the nervous system) • Ammonium Sulphate ( toxifies the gut, liver & lungs) • Amphotericin Sulphate ( fungicide) • Beta- Propiolactone (a recognised carcinogenic & organ toxicant) • Calf Serum • Chick embryo • Egg protein • Emulsifier • Fetal bovine Serum • Formaldehyde (a recognised carcinogenic & organ toxicant to ecosystems & human health) • Genetically modified organisms • Gentamicin Sulphate antibiotic • Hydrolysed gelatin- from calf & pig skins & bones • Lactose ( dairy allergen for 60% of the world) • Latex - used in vaccine preparation • Monosodium Glutamate- MSG- all vaccines contain this soy allergen even if they are not listed. Was removed for infants under one for food additives, but still in vaccines! • MRC5 - Human aborted fetal tissue! • MF59 (squalene oil), an adjuvant • Neomycin antibiotic • Phenol- organ toxicant • Phenoxyethanol - antifreeze • Polyribosylribitol- part of the HIB bacterium • Polymyxin antibiotic • Polysorbate skin & organ toxicant • Sorbitol- gastric & liver irritant • Streptomycin antibiotic • Sucrose ( sugar anyone?) • Taste improvers • Thimerosal ( organ toxicant) • Tri 📷 butylphosphate kidney toxicant & neurotoxin • Yeast And now dyes & nanotechnology to be added ……, Unless You Make A Stand For Yourself & For The Generations To Come From Your Cells. Contraindications & side effects of vaccinations When I nursed, we were told if anyone was already unwell, they should delay their vaccinations until they had a strong immune system, knowing vaccinations were designed to trigger big immune reactions. Sadly I see these boundaries pushed by GP’s. I have even referred people to their GP’s for further cardiovascular investigation & had one ignorant GP decide to give his client a shingles vaccine. She had no idea what was in the syringe & he neglected to ask her. Just add it to the pile of yet another medical misadventure…. In the clinic, I see clients who’ve been to their Drs & even specialists complaining about their worrying side effects after their children’s vaccinations. They have been told dismissively that their symptoms are temporary; “go home & rest.” Or more often what is happening to them, the day after vaccination, ‘is unrelated to the vaccination’ Just one eg. severe ticks suddenly appeared in twin boys that were both vaccinated the day before & were until then completely well. Their parents tried to get support from their GP & Specialists who were of no help or support. Documented throughout the internet are the known side effects of vaccinations. High temperatures, restlessness, crying, headaches, rashes, pain & swelling are dismissed as minor reactions by parents & doctors. I have also noticed that ‘someone’ has removed all of the serious side effect descriptions off the internet as the vaccination campaigns expand. The less known & scary effects to the nervous system, like inflammation of various nerves, facial palsy, nervous system ticks, convulsions, visual disturbances (optic neuritis/ neuropathy), autism, poor concentration, memory loss, tingling or numbness in extremities on spine, long lasting migraines & headaches, tiredness, low energy, dizziness, fainting, been unwell since a vaccination- with colds or flus they can’t shake. Not to mention the vaccine induced illnesses like Guillain Barre syndrome, anaphylaxis, blood platelet thrombocytopenia, swollen lymph glands in the neck, armpit or groin as the lymphatic system tries to cope. Gastro-intestinal problems, immune deficiencies & even the beginning of that disease the vaccine is trying to prevent in their body. Eg. shingles. The reality is more horrific to me than any threat we have in our developed countries of getting a disease, that we could use natural medicines to treat. I've also seen body’s trying to push the vaccine out ( via the nature's law of cure) ie. outward a month later- where a child gets swollen fingers, or the adult gets a severe version of the flu they were trying to prevent in the first place. Our human body’s are made to adapt for sure. But they have no idea that mankind would invent such atrocities to be added to disease causing viral pathogens & injected into the deepest layer of the immune system. Why are humans so gullible & allowing this? Oh yes, threatened with fear of death of their family member or being told they are being neglectful does that to people! Would it not be more ethical for WHO to refocus its resources on improving health to prevent such diseases? Ie. recommend cleaning up rubbish strewn environments, gift more allergy free nutrition, providing supplements & natural medicines the indigenous people of the land ask for instead? Etc . I am sure it would cost way less than vaccinations. Bottom line is: Good health does not come in a Syringe! Covid -19’s- We now know the Media explanation of Covid -19 has once again been driven by WHO ( & its financial backer). Fear itself is the virus this time. It has been propelled into humanity to gain control over the people’s minds. It has had humanity stop in its tracks and listened to what ‘the right thing is to do’ as advised by WHO. Governments have sought further control, by first following WHO’s instructions & then appealing to people’s hearts ie. ‘Stay home & keep the world safe”. We have all innocently obliged with the threat of death from covid-19, if we don’t. Covid-19 however is a strain of the common cold or flu virus that most of us would get at some time in our lifetime anyway, which as you see above will raise our body’s immunity to it. It targets the respiratory system. So I feel really only those with poor health, or pre-existing medical conditions need to worry about it. Also in our part of the world its affinity appears to be more with the elderly passing away from it. Super sad for them. But I also wonder if the fear of it was enough to lower their immunity anyway! Coincidentally with Bill Gates’s reign, in the last 20 years Sars & MER’s viruses have appeared ( Manmade or naturally?) Many people are discussing, there is another strain of the virus going around that was created & this is the bio-warfare version. What we do know is, from president Trump, is that WHO has lied to us & created a global panic. Trump has people independently investigating WHO now, which wont please the illuminati / Elite one bit! A second extensive study has also found that the original Coronavirus Mortality rate is actually 0.4%, not 3.4% - which confirms its similarity to a seasonal flu. From a holistic practitioner point of view, I just want to add that viruses like bacteria aren't ‘the baddy’s’ everyone makes them out to be. Many of them already live harmoniously within your body, helping you gain new insights & develop yourself. ie. Holistically viruses, like any health condition, come with metaphysical lessons for your personal development. Viruses transmute & change all the time depending on their host (ie. the body they are inhabiting). They cannot live outside of the body. For more than 1 hour. However, could it be that a virus like Covid was manipulated into a biochemical weapon that caused young people to also die from this pneumonia like respiratory disease? How interesting that it first infected US industry competitors in China? It’s timing has definitely been fuel for Bill Gates vaccination campaign; all part of his drive for world domination. Interestingly enough, 5G technology towers are still being erected while everyone is in ‘shut down’. Could this be the opportunity Bill Gates has co-created with his minions so that he could roll out a covid -19 vaccine complete with trackers in it for the whole world. One vaccine size fits all, to ‘save the world’? I witnessed covid -19 manufacturing patent papers on the internet when it was first announced. True or not, I'm very sure I choose not to be part of this biochemical warfare & human control system that these dark elite powers are creating. Yes, sure, it’s sensible to be aware around any pathogens. Good handwashing techniques should always be happening, plus a healthy gut & a healthy lifestyle. However I really don’t think that unnecessarily stressing & therefore lowering immune systems function by vaccinating and poisoning the immune system is the answer. Also this latest flu vaccine appears to have had a respiratory disease added to it. I've had clients who've had reactions to it this year, test positive for needing either whooping cough of TB homeopathics! Confirming to me, that these have been used. In their production! I feel it's senseless to make someone sick in an attempt to make them healthy! Do you really want those diseases in your system complicating your immune system this winter? What you can do right now to say no:- • In Nursing we are advised to wait until someone is well before we show them to the Dr to vaccinate. Unfortunately many health professionals offering vaccines ( including pharmacists) have pushed away this sensibleness, as vaccines make them money. We could still try though. Mention you have a cold, flu or current allergies to at least bide yourself some time. • Call their bluff. Say you have already been vaccinated or immunised, or will be by your GP’. That you prefer vaccinations that way, from your trained professional. Then voice the doctors medical code- see below. • If you're of NZ Maori descent utilise the Treaty of Waitangi’s health advice: Especially their “participation clause” :> Ie. You are invited to decide what you would like with your healthcare! ie. “According to the Ministry of Health, the Treaty of Waitangi sets out three key principles that facilitate the relationship between the Crown and Maori in healthcare. • Partnership means working closely with Maori to develop plans that drive Maori health benefits. • Participation ensures Maori take part in all levels of healthcare decision-making, planning and delivery. • Protection makes sure the New Zealand Government works towards Maori having the same health benefits as Pakeha.” • Baffle them with brilliance:- “I express my choice as a sovereign being to have the power to choose my reality.” • Express your divine choice as a sentient being saying that “vaccinations will lower your vibration” • Utilise your spirituality or philosophy & express you have that or religious concern about vaccines. Ie. “God doesn't want this for me.”” If our gorgeous Hari Krishnas & Jehovah witnesses brothers & sisters have their lists of what they can or can’t partake in, then why can't we? Nb.15 American states decline vaccines because of their philosophical exemptions to vaccines; and 45 states can refuse on grounds of religious exemptions. All you have to say is, ‘This is my faith,’ we respect an individual's faith in this country.” • Exercise your medical knowledge: All public health interventions, including vaccination, include health risks. So you can say, “As an individual who is respected for her / his ideals and values, it is my right to exercise those to protect myself and/or my children, as we do not accept existing medical evidence about the relative safety of vaccines. Where there is a risk, there must be a choice.” • Discuss the legal case proving vaccines are unsafe:- ie. “I have done my research & found that vaccines aren't as safe or proven as we are led to believe. I found a case which we can now cite as legal support to decline a vaccine. On September 7th 2018, where Vaccine injury Lawyer Robert Kennedy Jr, proved & won his case where he showed that vaccine manufacturers are now illegally making & producing vaccines that havent been tested for 30+ years. They are Aided & abetted by the unsuspecting medical community. So I would be a fool to accept vaccines into my immune system. • Discuss your beliefs on being vibrationally compatible with a disease. Eg. A while back it was ‘fashionable’ for a mum to take her child to a ‘chickenpox party’ in the hope her child's immunity will be alerted to the chickenpox virus, yet hope they would not get the virus. If the child was of at the same vibration as the child currently hosting the virus & the party - ie. lowered health through poor diet or an unhappy home life or even their personality’s outlook, they may contract the virus. Other children may be at a different ( higher or lower) vibration & not be compatible with attracting that virus into their system. • If you’re of Catholic Faith, the Catholic Church recognizes the value of vaccines and the importance of protecting individual and community health. It asserts, however, that its members should seek alternatives, when available, to vaccines that are made using cell lines derived from aborted fetuses. See the list of conjuvents above-most vaccines contain them from various humans or animals. • Express your fear: Claim, I have suspicion and mistrust of vaccines after what I have witnessed happening to non-westerners after exposure to Bill Gates Vaccine schedules in places like Africa Nigeria & Afghanistan ( see notes above). • No to Nano! - I do not consent to being microchipped with nanotechnology or a dye like some poor animal. Bill Gates has made this clear that he wants to utilise the covid-19 vaccines for ID & tracking of people. ( probably using 5G) No thanks, that is a breach of my privacy & my health. I value my sovereignty. • Claim vaccination is racism - several studies have found racism as part of the legacy of medicine. The Tuskegee Syphilis Study, was a clinical trial conducted with African Americans who were denied appropriate treatment opportunities. Naturally these were key factors underlying African Americans’ distrusting medical and public health interventions, including vaccination. Additionally in parts of Asia and Africa, mistrust of vaccines is often tied to “Western plot” theories, which suggest ( & can now be proven) that vaccines are ploys to sterilize or infect non-Western communities. • Claim Vaccines are now known to spread other diseases because of their conjuvents. In 1999, British journalist Edward Hooper wrote The River: A Journey to the Source of HIV/AIDS. He speculated that the virus that causes AIDS transitioned from monkeys to humans via a polio vaccine. He argued that the polio vaccine was made from the cells of chimpanzees infected with the primate form of HIV (Simian immunodeficiency virus, or SIV), which adapted in humans and caused the disease. He also stated that there were coincidences in the sites where the polio vaccine was first administered and where the first cases of HIV originated. Nigerians in 2003 also confirmed this belief. • State your views that ‘vaccines can lead to wars & disharmony around the world:- The local Taliban in Southern Afghanistan say ‘The polio vaccination is an American ploy to sterilize Muslim populations and is an attempt to avert Allah’s will.’ Remember vaccinations have been known to sterilise populations of people! • NZ Human rights Act 1993- Quote: ‘As per the Human rights act 1993, I can't be discriminated upon for my ethical beliefs.” My body, my choice! • Further to that, the Doctors medical code of conduct under the World Medical Association stars:- “Drs must not use their medical knowledge to remove human rights” • Australia doesn't have a legitimate government or federal state. They have no authority to do anything. Therefore they have committed many crimes against we the people of Australia. ( sorry I know zilch about this one- please add to it if you know more ) • Tom Barnett on youtube says we can't catch a virus. So you can learn that thoroughly and promote that as your ethical health choice. I know we were taught viruses do not live outside of the body for more than 1 hour. So if you have good hand washing, health & lifestyle etc. Then there is a high chance you won't be susceptible to viruses, bacteria. Unfortunately I'm a bit indoctrinated here, so I'm on the fence & do take bug precautions but I also trust my healthy immune system & natural supplements. • British Law ( also known as Common Law) verses Roman Corporate Law. 27 years ago when I was studying naturopathy, we had a guy come & talk at length to us all about this. We were all in full support of stopping writing our names in capitals so we didn't accidentally sign their contracts & we could even decide to fit under the indigenous people of NZ ( even though most of us were white...as it is apparently a choice) ie. we would do that so that we could practice as indigenous healers,( if the pharmaceutical industry tried to shut us natural therapists down even further ) as we were all born in NZ. The challenge then came at not needing their corporate system. Damn it, they'd made it, so that everything we needed was tied up in it. Our banks, our businesses etc. It is a hard one to escape. So I loved what Saul wrote & if I had the inner balls & could live off the grid & still be able to help people via the internet, I'd be in! But I don't know how to yet. ( open to education on the same!) So meanwhile I have dipped my toes into this for 27 years. I don't write legibly on forms when I choose, I don't write in capitals & I only share the information that I choose. When it comes to avoiding Vaccination, I totally believe we could utilise our knowledge of the common law. Contract law versus initial contract etc. But like Saul has explained, we need to do all he suggests & it's not an easy road, but then nor would succumbing to vaccinations be! How I plan to look after my health instead. Vaccinations are seen as a way of us as a population controlling disease, that many of us know is seasonal etc. Pro- vaxxers believe wholeheartedly in this & then I see them eating mega junk food, eating low vibration food, smoking, drinking up a storm & being fearful of disease. It's just so misaligned when you think about it. So there will be come back, if you make an informed decision to not vaccinate. It's a good idea to know within yourself what you plan as an individual or family is; in both defence of yourself & for your immune system. Then when people attempt to question your theories you know what you're doing. In your plan make sure you include a healthy high vibration diet- lots of fresh organic fruit & veggies, proteins, good fats & water every day. Supplement with prebiotics, probiotics & anything you are lacking through dietary choices. Be happy with your life. Have a spiritual or meditative element to your life Be involved in a supportive tribe, or circle of friends. Health is much more than what’s in a syringe The letter to respectfully decline vaccination as an informed human This letter outline is built upon your previous letters shared with the sacred revolution, thank you! Choose when to act with it though please. There is no point setting off alarm bells to these people to give you extra attention if you don’t need it. Ie. If your country or people do not get presented with the need to vaccinate, have it up your sleeve instead. Share this with your tribes. The more informed everyone is, the faster we can change world views & make this world a healthier place to live. Unless we want to discuss making our point known collectively at the top of the government chain now as a tribe/ collective/ revolution? HOW TO USE THIS LETTER:- Go through the letter below & delete things that are not of your voice or opinion about yourself or your beliefs, throughout this letter. Add in information, you would like to see in it. Have a look back over the bulk of the info above for more ideas, or add in your own knowledge. Make this letter your own please & keep me confidentially out of it thanks :>. Ie. Author unknown . Love & blessings
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2020.09.01 12:54 pineapplecheers Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.

Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.
Note: These are only the stats on Islam in the west, the stats on Islam in the Muslim majority world are much more depressing.
UK
  1. US Diplomatic Cables: One-Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
  1. Britain’s Ministry of Defence: More British Muslims have Fought for ISIS than having Served in the British Armed Forces.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/21/islamic-state-americans-british/14384045/
  1. NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
  1. NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. ICM Mirror 2016: 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain Would not Report Terror Plot to Police.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
  1. ICM Mirror 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
  1. NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. AlJazeera Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/02/20084915451911371.html
  1. 25% of UK mosques have literature calling for the beheading of lapsed Muslims, ordering women to remain Indoors, and forbidding interfaith marriages.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lessons-in-hate-found-at-leading-mosques-wzbwdtb2g0n?wgu=270525_16644_15959047563588_48638ee643&wgexpiry=1603680756&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=4551
  1. Gallup: Zero percent of UK Muslims think homosexuality is morally acceptable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
  1. Policy Exchange 2016: Half of British Muslims would not go to cops if they knew someone with ISIS links.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/
NETHERLANDS
  1. Forum Multicultural Institute: 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.
Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/
SWEDEN
  1. Koopmans 2018: 52% of Sweden Muslims believe that Sharia is more important than Swedish law.
https://www.svd.se/radikal-islamism-drabbar-alla
  1. AHA Foundation: Six out of ten mosques in Sweden gave women advice about how to deal with spousal abuse and polygamy that contradicted Swedish law.
Six out of the ten mosques visited by the women, who had also claimed that their husbands had multiple wives, told them that they should nevertheless agree to have sex with their husbands even if they didn’t want to.
Six of the mosques also advised the women against reporting spousal abuse to the police.
https://www.theahafoundation.org/six-out-of-ten-mosques-in-sweden-gave-women-advice-about-how-to-deal-with-spousal-abuse-and-polygamy-that-contradicted-swedish-law-a-media-investigation-has-revealed/
GERMANY
  1. Die Welt 2012: 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.html
FRANCE
  1. 46% of French Muslims believe Sharia law should be applied in country.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1568920086-poll-46-of-french-muslims-believe-sharia-law-should-be-applied-in-country
AUSTRIA
  1. FPO 2014: 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/
DENMARK
  1. Integration Barometer 2018: 27% of young migrants in Denmark say Islamic law should override Danish law.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803151062553576-denmark-copenhagen-sharia/
  1. Danish Justice Ministry 2020: 76% of Muslims want criticism of Islam criminalized in Denmark.
https://sputniknews.com/amp/europe/202005041079186984-majority-of-danish-muslims-wish-to-make-criticising-islam-illegal-minister-says-integrate-or-leave/
  1. Jyllands-Posten: 77% of Muslims in Denmark think that the Quran must be applied fully in the Danish society.
https://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/ECE8103969/Danske-muslimer-g%C3%A5r-mere-op-i-b%C3%B8n-t%C3%B8rkl%C3%A6der-og-Koranen/
USA
  1. CSP: 51% of US Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
  1. Pew Research: 72% of Muslim Americans support the proposal to build a mosque and Islamic community center near Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/30/Most-US-Muslims-back-Ground-Zero-mosque/54511314737569/
  1. American Mosques: Correlation Between Sharia Adherence and Dogma Calling for Violence Against Non-Believers.
51% have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence.
30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence.
In 84.5% of the mosques, the Imam recommends studying violence-positive texts.
http://www.meforum.org/2931/american-mosques
CANADA
  1. MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada.
https://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
  1. Association for Canadian Studies: 42% of Muslims in Canada believe that Islam is irreconcilable with Western society.
https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/most-canadians-believe-west-and-islam-irreconcileable-poll
OVERALL in Europe
  1. WZB: 65% of Muslims in Europe Want Islamic Sharia Law in Their European Host Countries.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
WORLDWIDE
  1. World Bank: ISIS Recruits are Better Educated than their Average Countrymen.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/isil-recruits-better-educated-than-their-average-countryman-worl/
  1. INSS: 99.5% of all Suicide Attacks in 2015 were Motivated by Islam.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of-452-suicide-attacks-in-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
  1. The Freethought Report 2013: There are now 13 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being an atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/atheists-face-death-in-13-countries-global-discrimination-study-220495-2013-12-12
  1. There are 11 places in the world where homosexuals are legally sentenced to death. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/here-are-the-11-countries-where-being-gay-is-punishable-by-death/
  1. There are 9 places in the world that still have stoning as a form of legal punishment. Every single one is officially Islamic.
Stoning is a legal punishment for adultery in Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html
  1. Pew Research Centre: The Majority of Muslims worldwide favor Sharia.
84% of South Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
77% of Southeast Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
74% of Middle Eastern and North African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
64% of Sub Saharan African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society.
https://layman.org/survey-shows-majority-of-muslims-in-favor-of-sharia/
  1. Pew Research: The Majority of Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
85% of the Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
93% of the Muslims in Southeast Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
88% of the Muslims in South Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
87% of the Muslims in Middle East/North Africa believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/what-muslims-around-the-world-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/
  1. Worldwide Trends on Honor Killings:
91% of the Honor killings, worldwide, are perpetrated by Muslims.
96% of the Honor killings in Europe are perpetrated by Muslims.
84% of the Honor killings in North America are perpetrated by Muslims.
https://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings
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2020.09.01 09:05 marekvse A religion-less society actually exists right now!

Hello Jodan,

I'm sending this letter to you, Sam Harris and Douglas Murray, and hoping that it will reach at least one of you directly as I believe it could move all of your individual viewpoints as well as your future conversations forward. I'm sending it in the interest of possibly alerting you to at least one country, the one I grew up in, which seem to have completely evaded your research efforts and leaving you all, it would seem, agree on one, to me a very curious and strange point, that a successful and happy society without a (major) role of religion in it does not exist or have ever been tried. Sam is sure it would work, you say it did not work in Stalin's Russia case (you also add Hitler, who clearly was not an atheist and his most brutal forces had "God is with us" written right on their belt buckles which pretty much destroys the non-religious assertion), but none of you seem to be aware that it worked and is still currently working already very well.

I respect all of you greatly. I identify most with Sam's points of view at matters - perhaps unsurprisingly given the country I grew up in and the personality I am - and least with you Jordan, but that's only because of the religious part of views he seems to insist on deeply. I admire Jordan for your abilities to reason and, most of the time, reason so for clearly logical things. I admire the other two for the same reason without the need for that exception.

I've watched a great many videos featuring you 3 plus of course other very intelligent people like Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, and others in the past few years. The one thing that always keeps surprising me is the point where the discussion gets to the point of arguing about "how viable would a theoretical society" built basically purely on reason and no religion look like and what state it would end up in. Not even Christopher Hitchens seemed to ever have any other answers than a very good, but yet still purely theoretical arguments regarding such a society. From all of those occasions in those conversations, I am basically forced to believe that you all guys, however much-traveled and intelligent, have completely missed at least this one real-life, well-working example, which is my country - The Czech Republic. I think that if you haven't and if you then talked to a few people who grew up there at least at the time when I did - born 1973 - you would find not theoretical, but very real examples of a great many people who not only grew up completely without any religion or any stories coming from it and yet, still grew up very nice, intelligent and maybe surprisingly to you all VERY HAPPY people.

I'm not sure how many people exactly like me you would find because I really set up my life to be very happy, not even knowing how exactly stress would feel - I just maybe get hints of what it may feel like when I'm cold, which is why I have relocated to Queensland, Australia a long time ago - but you would definitely find heaps and heaps of people who are undergoing the same stresses in life as in any other western-type society with handling family, work and the other aspects of life, yet without any regard whatsoever to notions of any religion or any need to any type of any kind of comforting mythical stories.

That, of course, is not to say that many of us do not enjoy fiction books or entertaining stories in the form of books, tales, or other arts. We can enjoy it all the same with the full knowledge that those are fiction.

All the above is the result of the socialist/communist system we grew up in which not necessarily stifled but certainly did not promote any religion. It is the one thing I am grateful for to that system I grew up in, apart from a very happy childhood since nobody's parents had existential struggles. I do believe that there were efforts to eradicate the religion, many of which may probably be identified as forceful, but we've always kept our history including its buildings like castles and churches as opposed to destroying them, which would be an extreme way to get rid of something. Even clergy was tolerated and some very tiny minority of mostly the old-times people were attending services even at those times.

The actual real fact of life was, however, that we never were taught about religion apart from being a part of history, including ours. And we would still go on school trips some of which may include admiring a great cathedral purely for its architecture and art.

Strangely, even the name of the "person" who brings the presents at Chrismas (which in the Czech language is called "vanoce", which has nothing to do with Christianity - at least not obviously - I did not study its etymological roots) is "Jezisek", which, funnily and very interestingly enough I personally only realized when I was about 14 years old, means "a little Jezis = Jesus - "little" here meaning a kid, a baby). So the presents were being brought by a baby Jesus and yet, for almost all of us it was just a name, same as the west had Santa Claus or any other name you could use for a fictional character. It had NO religious meaning whatsoever to us, nor any story was attached to it at all. It was (and is for us) simply a holiday with the ritual of decorating a tree and having a very nice, extraordinary family dinner before (mostly the kids) would enjoy the present unwrapping under the tree. (Yes, our Christmas all happen on 24th Dec). We had no idea that it was originally a celebration of the winter solstice or that it was then stolen as a Christian holiday. We enjoyed it and frankly still enjoy it for the same family reasons, all the same. Actually now knowing that it has been for the past many hundreds of years appropriated by a religious cult if anything taints the experience. It probably would not if that cult was a thing simply belonging and part of the history of "less educated" times of us humans. The fact that this magical thinking still sways great sections of global citizens' everyday lives is what taints Christmas for some us Czechs. It surely does for me. I feel more at ease with it knowing that actually it is the winter solstice celebration. I would surely be more fine with it if it was just a date that someone decided to arbitrarily put on a calendar rather than thinking of it in terms of a cult that brutally killed and tortured so many innocent people in history and still thinks that magical thinking is just a fine idea.

Similar to Christmas, we in the Czech Republic also celebrate Easter (another holiday appropriated for itself by Christianity as I learned much later in my life). We also enjoy it purely for the tradition or maybe just for the fact that it is a day off work :). In Czech, a part of the tradition regarding Easter is that man create a nice looking weaved supple "sticks" from the branches of a willow tree, and in the morning we go around as many girls/women we know as possible to "hit" their behinds with it so that they stay young and supple too. I'm sure that in today's "politically correct" society many would find something very wrong with it, but the simple fact was that it ended up being a very nice and very social day for everyone. (By the way, I never knew that anybody would consider women as any lesser than men. I grew up in a society where had no reason to even suspect such a thing.) In the afternoon the girls and women had the right on the other hand to pour buckets of water over the men's' heads, even though that part was never really practiced. (At least in our parts of the Czech Republic. There are more traditional areas.) I suppose that is because it is not as convenient to run around with buckets of water around than it would be with sticks. Also, we - boys and men - would get a colorful ribbon bound to the ends of the sticks by each female we've visited and "paid off" - we don't really call it hitting or beating. It would leave the omitted girls and women feel neglected rather than happy not to get hit. I'm sure that the absolute majority of us were always as gentle as myself and my friends in performing that "stick-and-behind" ritual. I actually never wanted or was planning to do this whole thing, but I had a friend who always came on the morning of Easter Monday to my home with a couple of those "sticks" - one for himself, one for me, and basically had to talk me into joining him every single year. And it always ended up being one of the best days of the year, finishing in a mixed group having a great time (including a bit of drinking in our later teenage years). It was very nice and social and NOTHING to do with any religion or anything other than "this tradition actually turns out to be fun" and we did not need some deep explanation for it that I'm sure Jordan would try to dig out at this point. It was the same fun we can end up with when we come up with brand new social events, out of which, when they turn out fun, we often try to make a tradition of too. All that being completely atheist and secular. I really don't understand what seems to be so hard to comprehend even to Sam - not that he could not seem to be able to imagine it - clearly, he very much is - but that it actually has already been tried and is still going on successfully. Admittedly though, traditions like the Easter ones in Czech are fading as the capitalist style of life requiring most of us to work more and more puts a strain on that too, together with an overload of other modern culture distractions obviously.

In any case, my point is that what Sam is saying, what Christopher used to say and others too, is NOT a theoretically working "utopia", it IS a reality for millions in just my own country of origin and we suffer no ill effects from it!

On the contrary, despite being a tiny nation of 10 million people we have (even though thanks to globalization, corruption, and not in small part thanks to the totalitarianism of the European Union) we are loosing great industry and very clever people. We used to be (before EU) totally self-sufficient in basically everything, were exporting fighter jets, cars, atomic reactors, locomotives, food, and much more to the rest of the world, gave the world some amazing people and inventions like contact lenses, nanofibres, the lighting rod, or even small things like sugar cubes, pencils or Koh-i-Noor snaps for our jeans :) and we needed no religion or the related stories to do that. And that is the one thing I'm happy the "communist" regime gave us - true freedom from religion, freedom from bullshit stories if you pardon me. It lets us concentrate on interesting and important stuff in life instead of trying to solve mute problems like why are we here. We are, so enjoy it. I must say that without the religious ideas surrounding us that most of us don't even think about it as something to worry about. We worry about "we are here now, what can we do to live well" and some of us also "what can we do to leave my imprint on humanity". The more curious of us sure ask "how" did we get here and maybe do think about how in the great scheme of things we are totally insignificant, but I don't think it makes us unhappy. I know it does not make me unhappy for sure. I enjoy learning new things, discovering, making logical conclusions, and, apart from other things, being truthful to myself and others, which is probably why I'm also so happy in my life and have always been, which all of you I'm sure will very easily understand.

All of you guys seem to imply or straight away say that "sure, there is not a person who would not have major problems in life, who would not have "demons"" etc. Well, sure, I've encountered problems in my life. I'm solving software problems every day (I'm a software engineer) I've traveled around the world on a motorbike so I've encountered life-threatening situations, I've lost family members (fortunately for me just the ones who naturally died of old age, no tragedies so far, so yes, I've been lucky in that respect). But problems are here, to my eye, to be solved. They are a challenge, not a tragedy. They make life interesting. And demons? No, I do not have any. Things I regret? Maybe, a tiny little ones like not asking that beautiful girl on a bus for a coffee. But I've never done anything I would be ashamed of. That does not mean that I never failed of course. But I freely admit and not try to hide my failings so I have no demons. Am I really the only person in the world you think? I may be rare, but I'm sure I'm not alone.

Regardless, many, or basically I'd say almost all of my friends, much as they may have more normal everyday problems and stresses than I have (and it is not at all related to money - I'm not wealthy at all - we even still rent the place where we live), would tell you the same thing regarding the role of religion or religious stories in their lives and their decisions - NONE whatsoever.

The Czech Republic is very rich in culture too. Our country has one of the biggest concentrations of castles for example. I do not think that religion was necessary for those structures to be built for powerful people in our history. Yes, many, many churches too. Beautiful buildings. Some of them truly amazing, as some of the castles, too. And our secular society still builds and creates amazing things with no religion required for it. Just yesterday I was sent a link to a video about the biggest chandelier and at the same time, the biggest jewel ever built anywhere. (Link here if you are interested: https://www.youtube.com/embed/AQ2udSvqx28 .) It could very well hang in a cathedral of some type. But it was built by a Czech company for a Saipan casino. Only human talent, work, and lots of money was needed to build this wonder. No religion whatsoever. So I'm pretty sure, Jordan, that you can stop worrying about losing culture if there was no religion. Sure, cassino may not be considered culture by many, but it is simply a fact of today's world that casinos are one of the areas where the money is. If you want to start to argue that we need religion as a way of extracting money from the population to build such marvels, as was historically exactly one of its functions and is one of the reasons those grand structures like great cathedrals exist, then fine. I would, like Sam, argue that it is possible to do without the pretense of magic, but at least that would be a simple point to defend. Not the only way though!! An example - and I'm sure there are also many modern ones too.. The National Theatre in Prague... It is a grandiose building with high ceilings covered with similar gold ornamentry and paintings to any cathedral you may find. It also has a huge painted curtain - a great painting of its own right. This all was built from money collected from donations of the citizens expressly towards building a national theatre, which was opened in 1881. The first idea came in 1844 at a congregation of Czech patriots. As far as I can tell no religion was involved. Certainly, none needed. And that great building is also a part of our and the world's registered cultural heritage sites.

So to summarize, the reason for this letter was to let all of you three guys know that you can stop only theorizing about a society without religion. Look at the Czech Republic especially before the Velvet Revolution (after which slowly more and more religion starts very slowly creeping in again), but where still today three-quarters of the population are completely irreligious. We are one of the safest, most educated, and happiest countries in the world. And if you look over the state ideology at any one time, where communism was making some people unhappy with restrictions on travel for example, and capitalism in its demands on sacrificing more of one's private / family time for work time, we are generally really happy people, nice to each other (without having to be threatened by hell or whatever other stupid magic idea), helping each other. And it is probably partly thanks to the LACK of any religion that we are that way. There is one less thing to partition us into opposing groups which argue about something they actually cannot even know.

Actually, that makes me think about my friends and people I know. I know and have experienced that my friends or even friends of my parents, for example, would (and in the past have) helped me when I really needed help, despite it being a great inconvenience for them. Yet, I was in similar situations when I only had a religious person to help me and they would not. It would seem to me that religious people like to listen to the stories that Jordan insists are shaping majorly their principles and behavior, rather than actually behave according to them. And then some feel great to tell you how good they are thanks to Jesus.

Ok, I think that concrete examples would be good here:
I know, that every time I go back to the Czech Republic for the summer I have offers from my friends to take me to the airport - both in Czech and in Australia (still from Czech friends interestingly enough). In both cases, it is over 100km and I do not want to inconvenience them if it is not necessary so I thank them and decline. But I know that even if I called them at three in the morning that I needed an urgent lift to the airport they would just tell me how long it would take them to pick me up.
Contrast that with this:
I've known a great person for 7 years and actually shared a house with her for 5 of those years. I consider her a very nice person and considered her a very good friend. I still visit her once a year or so when I have a chance, but thinking back on the story I'm about to tell you certainly makes me feel less worm towards her than I always thought she otherwise deserved.

So the story: I found a new life partner while again staying for the whole European summer in the Czech Republic. For reasons irrelevant to this story she could not join me permanently in Australia for the first few years of being together, so we were overcoming that problem by her periodically visiting me in Australia for 3 months, then we would not see each other for another 3, then I would go to Czech for 3 and a bit, again 3 months apart and then the cycle would repeat.

At the end of one of her stays in Australia with me, while I was still sharing the house with my friend, Jean, my partner was flying home the next day and I, shortly before that, decided I would actually fly back with her. I could not get a seat on the same flight so my flight was at 8 AM and hers the same day at 1 PM. My partner is a bit lost when traveling and she did not speak English at that time yet either, so we decided to travel the 150km to Brisbane in the evening before and arranged to stay with a friend there overnight. We were supposed to catch the second one of the only two trains that goes from that place to Brisbane daily. It was leaving around 9 PM. The nearest train station is about 8km from the place I lived in with Jean, who agreed or maybe even offered to take us to that train station, I can't remember that bit for sure. What is for sure is that once we got there it become clear that the train was not coming as the train tracks were not there and the workers currently working there under the floodlights confirmed that the trains were not operating on that track for the past 14 days and will not be going for another 14 more. I was amazed and surprised, especially after we got back home and I confirmed on the computer that the online time schedule directly on the Queensland Rail website still insists that there are no exceptions or delays and that that train is scheduled as per normal.

There was no other public transport for us to use from that place. So after another couple of hours of trying to figure out any other possibility of getting us there on time, I finally asked Jean if she would be so kind and took us to the airport (we did not want to bother the friend in Brisbane to sleep over anymore because we would arrive too late for that we felt) so that we could make our flights. Jean told us that "she would but that she promised her sister to accompany her to a church service the next morning and that if she took us she would be too sleepy for that the next day"..................

I probably don't have to say that I was a bit disappointed that someone I considered a friend and a good person would refuse to help us in a situation in which I would have no other safe viable option. I never analyzed it further beyond the disappointment. However, a couple of years later I was telling this story to a friend and he, I think very spot on, pointed out that "So she would rather go to church to listen to the preacher to tell her that she should be helping people rather than take the opportunity to actually help someone in a real need.". How is that for "Christian" values? I know my non-religious friends would not hesitate to help me in that situation as I'll give you an example of in a couple of lines.

Just to finish the story, Jean was "nice enough" to suggest that we can try hitchhiking on the highway (at 1 AM no less!!) and "kindly" offered to take us there. We had no other choice so we accepted. To start with, there were literally 2 cars in 40 minutes we stood there. Fortunately, the second car actually stopped for us, and also fortunately we survived that. I say the second "fortunately" since it was a German traveler who told us that he stopped because he needed someone to keep him awake since he has been driving at that point non-stop for 16 hours from Cairns. Needless to say that traveling in a car 20km over the highway speed limit with someone who is grossly falling to sleep is quite scary... The story still developed into having quite a few very interesting twists, but those are not relevant to this anymore.

So now a concrete matching example:
When I was 15 I was to travel by bus 150 km to my brand new high school. I was obviously gonna have to be staying at a boarding school there so I wanted to take an earlier Sunday bus to have a chance to choose my new bed. But after waiting over an hour over the scheduled time for the bus I concluded that it was not coming and I was going to have to take the late afternoon one. After returning to the bus station and waiting for that one for almost an hour again I finally figured out that it was actually a brand new holiday celebrating the two (religious - interestingly enough :)) men who managed to enforce the recognition of our language as a language recognized by the religion, based and thanks to which our writing was established. (Religion would not allow our writing if it did not recognize the language as being worthy.) It was never celebrated before as it was shortly after the Velvet Revolution so I had no idea. Anyway, the result was that there was no other bus that day and that not only I would arrive dead last to the boarding school, but I would also miss probably the important first half of the first day at the actual new school as a freshman since my dad was away somewhere at that time with our only car.

That evening, at about 10 PM, a neighbor and my parent's friend came to pick something up from my mum. He was surprised to see me still at home and so he asked how come? When we told him he said that we should have told him earlier because he would have taken me there. He also told us that he was supposed to be at work the next day at 5 or 6 AM so it was too late to drive me there now. I remember thinking that it is easy to say now if he can't prove he would have done it anyway. Three minutes later I hear him saying: "You know what, let's go, I'll take you there." It was a 3-hour drive one way!!! The Czech Republic is quite dense with towns and villages and there were at that time many quite large detours on the way, too. So this man would get home about an hour or two before having to go to work!

How big of a difference this is to a church on Sunday where you go by your own volition, you are not required to go and being able to take the highway instead of in that case basically the whole way, so that trip would have cost Jean 3 hours max!

So the person who is NOT compulsed to help me for fear of any hell or any other even slightly unpleasant result helps me for purely the good feeling that one gets from helping others by his own choice despite majorly inconveniencing himself is the one that actually helps me and the one that thinks of themselves as the chosen and the most kind people chooses to go listening about how kind they are rather than actually be. Does not that give you a pause? :)

Another example. I was renting a room in a home of another of my friends and I happened to accidentally either drop the clear plastic fridge bucket for fruits and veggies or drop something on it (I cannot remember), resulting in its cracking. The, for me absolutely obvious thing to do, despite that it was "just a crack" and the bucket was still capable of fulfilling its function (and in fact until this day I still use it in my garage to store stuff in), I went ahead and spent almost a whole day trying to find where I could buy the correct replacement and spent something like 60 bucks on it at a time I did not have much money at all. Just because it was a normal logical thing for me to do for the pure "golden rule" reason. And Jordan would maybe say "ha, see, Christian values". And I, same as Sam or Christopher or probably Douglas too, would say that that rule is very logical, self-evident, and much older than the Christianity that appropriates that too for itself. It is just logical. I did not ever need any kind of story behind it and definitely not one where I would be punished other than that others may start doing the same to me seeing me do that to others. And since I want others to be nice to me, I, quite logically and without complicated explanations that some try to fit to some ancient stories they happen to believe in, will behave nicely to them.

And now again, contrast this to a very similar situation the other way around, this time, however, the other person is a church-going Christian.

I now live in a nice big house, which we rent as I mentioned. For the past 10 years, it has been our home and we can only afford it because we are sub-letting one of its rooms directly connected to the main bathroom. And we do this because we fell in love with the house and felt immediately at home as soon as we inspected it. And we originally inspected it purely just as a point of comparison with other houses we went to see afterward because it was available for inspection first that day. Later, comparing it to the other houses, I realized we could make it affordable (same price as the others) by renting out just those two of the 4 rooms that were on the top of what we actually needed. So we did and it has been 10 years since.

We look for people who want to stay longer-terms. Last year, a guy from the Christian part of Nigeria was finishing his stay of over 2 years with us. He would go to church every Sunday without fail and was obviously a devout Christian. He was studying nursing and was working as well, earning quite good money too. In the home, we usually all fit in our big fridge together with our boarder. This one, however, said he needed more space so we bought an additional fridge for him. It was one of the smaller ones which still needs to be periodically defrosted. When we noticed that he is leaving the freezer to become overgrown with ice we told him that he will need to do that so that the fridge does not break. We asked him to do that several times over several months until the plastic hinge of the plastic freezer door broke by the ice pushing it out. It was obviously not even an accident. He would ignore that. So eventually I told him that now he, unfortunately, had to find a replacement freezer door for it because otherwise, the fridge will be consuming much more energy (and we are paying all the energy bills, the boarders have it included in a single unchanging rent amount, which is by the way cheapest in this area) and that it will freeze over faster and that the person after him will surely need the door, too. Nothing at all happened until he left.

I meant to force him to do that before I'd return his bond when he would eventually be leaving, but it happened just at a time when we were holidaying aborad and I forgot about the freezer door. So I remotely returned his full bond. Sometime after that, when he came to pick up some of his post that he still did not change the address for, I gave him the broken door and asked him if he could please finally get a replacement. It's been almost a year now and he tells me he did not find it. So I asked him obviously if he actually tried. He said he did. A couple of simple questions later it is clear that he actually did not even try but is happy to lie about it. So what exactly has the church taught him?? I know it has neither taught him for sure to be responsible for his own actions nor to be honest. Clearly. Qualities that I and all of my close friends who I grew up with, who have never been touched by religion of any kind, have.

I am not necessarily saying that these almost exactly one-to-one comparable examples are totally indicative of the difference of morals between Christians and completely irreligious people, but since it does fit pretty well with many others we see in history and also currently around us, I think it is time to stop theorizing about the necessity or even utility of religious values for modern people. I'm not disputing that religion does have utility for people who follow it, but it certainly is not the necessary or even important tool for people in general.

It seems to me that religion has a utility of a rock that you use to beat in a nail. Take the rock from me and you leave me with a hammer that actually makes much more sense, similarly to taking away the stories and threat of hell and replacing it with something that has been there all along - the genuinely nice feeling of helping someone even if I am otherwise not compelled by anything else than the great feeling and the very logical realization that I have a much better chance to be treated nicely if I treat everybody else nicely. And that I am much more likely to be helped by others if I unconditionally help them. And I may help someone who never helps me, but helps somebody else. And somebody I never helped may actually help me because he was also at some point helped or at least sees it as all so logical how this works.

Jordan, your well-researched arguments on many societal topics are great and helpful and make sense. But I must say that even though I heard a couple of ways you very interestingly matched biblical stories on some current situations or general human behavior, I also think that you are totally overcomplicating stuff in these cases and you are getting many, myself included, lost as to what you are in fact trying to do other than somehow trying to reconcile your Christian belief with current reality and as you just discussed during the talks with Douglas and Sam, smuggling the Jesus into it where really, it is not necessary at all, objectively.

I understand that it is important to many, you including, but it really is not necessary. We can very nicely do completely without it. As an exercise in reasoning it is, or can be, for sure interesting, especially for scholars like you. For us, normal people (or normal engineers like myself :)) it seems pretty pointless otherwise. And the case of the Czech Republic, I think, even takes a base from your case completely, even though I'm sure you could find connections.

As an engineer I can tell you I can map anything to anything if I put enough abstractions in between. But the simple truth is, that almost everybody in a real country that has been historically doing well, grew up a perfectly decent person, arguably in a bigger percentage more decent than the majority in much more religious countries. And we do not suffer. Again, I'd say we suffer less because we are not burdened by any traumas like worrying about ending up in hell.

Sure, in our folklore we have another tradition where St. Nicholas (we never used the "St" part, for us it was just "Mikulas") comes on 5. December together with one or more devils to our home and gives our children presents or coal if "they were not good". And yes, for most children the devils are scary and some parents use that to elicit the promise of being good "from now on", but I think that at least most parents (certainly mine) were not trying to persuade us these were real beings.

It was a (scary) theatre happening in almost everybody's homes. And as soon as you figure out those under the masks are just normal people you feel clever as a kid. And you feel like you've grown and maybe also that you outsmarted the adults who would not tell you straight away those are just people. When you are like 6, 7, or 8, you are looking forward to running outside with the Mikulases and devils despite sometimes still being scared by them if they play the role well. It is thrilling. But it never needed to be shoved down our throats as a reality and not even a story was needed.

We have folklore fairytales that feature devils punishing bad people, yes. But we do not need them to tell us what is right and what is wrong. We can figure that out for ourselves and the stories are just a nice entertainment, if done well. And yes, we can see the useful allegory in it. We would still, however, know quite naturally the difference between clear right and wrong, between hurting others and not hurting others. But we recognize the difference between entertainment and reality. We still enjoy stories all the same.

You do not need organizations that actually believe those, are exempt from paying taxes and are praying on those who cannot reason themselves out well enough or prevent themselves being reasoned in by these fantastical stories and the ability of the storyteller to manipulate. I'd say that the about 25% of people in the Czech Republic who identify themselves as somehow religious are exactly those types of people. Ones who severely lack logical thinking. I have an uncle and a stepdaughter both like that. Neither of them has very good reasoning ability and so they are hanging there to be hooked on by the use of fantastical and magical stories, despite the fact that they were not indoctrinated into it as children, which then makes it more understandable when even pretty intelligent people still have this illogical partition in their brain reserved for god.

OK, that's it. Quite a bit longer than I intended it to be, but I hope it will eventually reach at least one of you in person and maybe give you some more arsenal for good arguments. It is obvious that you are very busy people so I do not expect any reply at all, but it would be great to get something like: "Hey Marek, it reached me, thanks." so that I know that I haven't completely wasted almost the whole day today instead of fixing my server and getting back to my coding in which I'm so much behind.

Wish you all all the best.

Sincerely,

Marek Vsechovsky


Aside:
As I'm reading what I wrote after myself I realize that although not absolutely necessary to explain this, you may wonder if I'm not "telling you stories" since at one point I mention that I am a software engineer and in another talk about affordability of rent. Well, I really don't revolve my life around money. And since I very much enjoy my job and have large amounts of ideas, I'm trying to implement them running it as my own business. However, I am kind of a Wozniak without a Jobs, meaning that rather than marketing a finished product I immediately start working on the next one since I just can't wait to work on it, so I end up with no income to my business and so from time to time I have to accept a paid outside contract. Since my expertise is large and well valued, and since I am a very frugal person (if I compare myself to most other people who say they are too :) ) I only need to work for about 3 months to be able to live from that for the next two years developing my own ideas. That's why I'm still renting rather than owning. I do what I love, I spend as much time on it as I want and I live at a very nice place where I can take a 30-minute holiday jumping in the surf basically all-year-round, so I'm really happy.
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2020.09.01 04:35 pineapplecheers Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.

Note: These are only the stats on Islam in the west, the stats on Islam in the Muslim majority world are much more depressing.
UK
  1. US Diplomatic Cables: One-Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
  1. Britain’s Ministry of Defence: More British Muslims have Fought for ISIS than having Served in the British Armed Forces.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/21/islamic-state-americans-british/14384045/
  1. NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
  1. NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. ICM Mirror 2016: 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain Would not Report Terror Plot to Police.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
  1. ICM Mirror 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
  1. NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. AlJazeera Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/02/20084915451911371.html
  1. 25% of UK mosques have literature calling for the beheading of lapsed Muslims, ordering women to remain Indoors, and forbidding interfaith marriages.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lessons-in-hate-found-at-leading-mosques-wzbwdtb2g0n?wgu=270525_16644_15959047563588_48638ee643&wgexpiry=1603680756&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=4551
  1. Gallup: Zero percent of UK Muslims think homosexuality is morally acceptable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
  1. Policy Exchange 2016: Half of British Muslims would not go to cops if they knew someone with ISIS links.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/
NETHERLANDS
  1. Forum Multicultural Institute: 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.
Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/
SWEDEN
  1. Koopmans 2018: 52% of Sweden Muslims believe that Sharia is more important than Swedish law.
https://www.svd.se/radikal-islamism-drabbar-alla
  1. AHA Foundation: Six out of ten mosques in Sweden gave women advice about how to deal with spousal abuse and polygamy that contradicted Swedish law.
Six out of the ten mosques visited by the women, who had also claimed that their husbands had multiple wives, told them that they should nevertheless agree to have sex with their husbands even if they didn’t want to.
Six of the mosques also advised the women against reporting spousal abuse to the police.
https://www.theahafoundation.org/six-out-of-ten-mosques-in-sweden-gave-women-advice-about-how-to-deal-with-spousal-abuse-and-polygamy-that-contradicted-swedish-law-a-media-investigation-has-revealed/
GERMANY
  1. Die Welt 2012: 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.html
FRANCE
  1. IFOP: 46% of French Muslims believe Sharia law should be applied in country.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1568920086-poll-46-of-french-muslims-believe-sharia-law-should-be-applied-in-country
AUSTRIA
  1. FPO 2014: 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/
DENMARK
  1. Integration Barometer 2018: 27% of young migrants in Denmark say Islamic law should override Danish law.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803151062553576-denmark-copenhagen-sharia/
  1. Danish Justice Ministry 2020: 76% of Muslims want criticism of Islam criminalized in Denmark.
https://sputniknews.com/amp/europe/202005041079186984-majority-of-danish-muslims-wish-to-make-criticising-islam-illegal-minister-says-integrate-or-leave/
  1. Jyllands-Posten: 77% of Muslims in Denmark think that the Quran must be applied fully in the Danish society.
https://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/ECE8103969/Danske-muslimer-g%C3%A5r-mere-op-i-b%C3%B8n-t%C3%B8rkl%C3%A6der-og-Koranen/
USA
  1. CSP: 51% of US Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
  1. Pew Research: 72% of Muslim Americans support the proposal to build a mosque and Islamic community center near Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/30/Most-US-Muslims-back-Ground-Zero-mosque/54511314737569/
  1. American Mosques: Correlation Between Sharia Adherence and Dogma Calling for Violence Against Non-Believers.
51% have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence.
30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence.
In 84.5% of the mosques, the Imam recommends studying violence-positive texts.
http://www.meforum.org/2931/american-mosques
CANADA
  1. MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada.
https://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
  1. Association for Canadian Studies: 42% of Muslims in Canada believe that Islam is irreconcilable with Western society.
https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/most-canadians-believe-west-and-islam-irreconcileable-poll
OVERALL in Europe
  1. WZB: 65% of Muslims in Europe Want Islamic Sharia Law in Their European Host Countries.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
WORLDWIDE
  1. World Bank: ISIS Recruits are Better Educated than their Average Countrymen.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/isil-recruits-better-educated-than-their-average-countryman-worl/
  1. INSS: 99.5% of all Suicide Attacks in 2015 were Motivated by Islam.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of-452-suicide-attacks-in-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
  1. The Freethought Report 2013: There are now 13 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being an atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/atheists-face-death-in-13-countries-global-discrimination-study-220495-2013-12-12
  1. There are 11 places in the world where homosexuals are legally sentenced to death. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/here-are-the-11-countries-where-being-gay-is-punishable-by-death/
  1. There are 9 places in the world that still have stoning as a form of legal punishment. Every single one is officially Islamic.
Stoning is a legal punishment for adultery in Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html
  1. Pew Research Centre: The Majority of Muslims worldwide favor Sharia.
84% of South Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
77% of Southeast Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
74% of Middle Eastern and North African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
64% of Sub Saharan African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society.
https://layman.org/survey-shows-majority-of-muslims-in-favor-of-sharia/
  1. Pew Research: The Majority of Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
85% of the Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
93% of the Muslims in Southeast Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
88% of the Muslims in South Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
87% of the Muslims in Middle East/North Africa believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/what-muslims-around-the-world-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/
  1. Worldwide Trends on Honor Killings:
91% of the Honor killings, worldwide, are perpetrated by Muslims.
96% of the Honor killings in Europe are perpetrated by Muslims.
84% of the Honor killings in North America are perpetrated by Muslims.
https://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings
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2020.09.01 04:33 pineapplecheers Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.

Note: These are only the stats on Islam in the west, the stats on Islam in the Muslim majority world are much more depressing.
UK
  1. US Diplomatic Cables: One-Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
  1. Britain’s Ministry of Defence: More British Muslims have Fought for ISIS than having Served in the British Armed Forces.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/21/islamic-state-americans-british/14384045/
  1. NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
  1. NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. ICM Mirror 2016: 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain Would not Report Terror Plot to Police.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
  1. ICM Mirror 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
  1. NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. AlJazeera Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/02/20084915451911371.html
  1. 25% of UK mosques have literature calling for the beheading of lapsed Muslims, ordering women to remain Indoors, and forbidding interfaith marriages.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lessons-in-hate-found-at-leading-mosques-wzbwdtb2g0n?wgu=270525_16644_15959047563588_48638ee643&wgexpiry=1603680756&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=4551
  1. Gallup: Zero percent of UK Muslims think homosexuality is morally acceptable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
  1. Policy Exchange 2016: Half of British Muslims would not go to cops if they knew someone with ISIS links.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/
NETHERLANDS
  1. Forum Multicultural Institute: 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.
Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/
SWEDEN
  1. Koopmans 2018: 52% of Sweden Muslims believe that Sharia is more important than Swedish law.
https://www.svd.se/radikal-islamism-drabbar-alla
  1. AHA Foundation: Six out of ten mosques in Sweden gave women advice about how to deal with spousal abuse and polygamy that contradicted Swedish law.
Six out of the ten mosques visited by the women, who had also claimed that their husbands had multiple wives, told them that they should nevertheless agree to have sex with their husbands even if they didn’t want to.
Six of the mosques also advised the women against reporting spousal abuse to the police.
https://www.theahafoundation.org/six-out-of-ten-mosques-in-sweden-gave-women-advice-about-how-to-deal-with-spousal-abuse-and-polygamy-that-contradicted-swedish-law-a-media-investigation-has-revealed/
GERMANY
  1. Die Welt 2012: 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.html
AUSTRIA
  1. FPO 2014: 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/
DENMARK
  1. Integration Barometer 2018: 27% of young migrants in Denmark say Islamic law should override Danish law.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803151062553576-denmark-copenhagen-sharia/
  1. Danish Justice Ministry 2020: 76% of Muslims want criticism of Islam criminalized in Denmark.
https://sputniknews.com/amp/europe/202005041079186984-majority-of-danish-muslims-wish-to-make-criticising-islam-illegal-minister-says-integrate-or-leave/
USA
  1. CSP: 51% of US Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
  1. Pew Research: 72% of Muslim Americans support the proposal to build a mosque and Islamic community center near Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/30/Most-US-Muslims-back-Ground-Zero-mosque/54511314737569/
  1. American Mosques: Correlation Between Sharia Adherence and Dogma Calling for Violence Against Non-Believers.
51% have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence.
30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence.
In 84.5% of the mosques, the Imam recommends studying violence-positive texts.
http://www.meforum.org/2931/american-mosques
CANADA
  1. MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada.
https://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
OVERALL in Europe
  1. WZB: 65% of Muslims in Europe Want Islamic Sharia Law in Their European Host Countries.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
WORLDWIDE
  1. World Bank: ISIS Recruits are Better Educated than their Average Countrymen.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/isil-recruits-better-educated-than-their-average-countryman-worl/
  1. INSS: 99.5% of all Suicide Attacks in 2015 were Motivated by Islam.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of-452-suicide-attacks-in-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
  1. The Freethought Report 2013: There are now 13 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being an atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/atheists-face-death-in-13-countries-global-discrimination-study-220495-2013-12-12
  1. There are 11 places in the world where homosexuals are legally sentenced to death. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/here-are-the-11-countries-where-being-gay-is-punishable-by-death/
  1. There are 9 places in the world that still have stoning as a form of legal punishment. Every single one is officially Islamic.
Stoning is a legal punishment for adultery in Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html
  1. Pew Research Centre: The Majority of Muslims worldwide favor Sharia.
84% of South Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
77% of Southeast Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
74% of Middle Eastern and North African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
64% of Sub Saharan African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society.
https://layman.org/survey-shows-majority-of-muslims-in-favor-of-sharia/
7. Pew Research: The Majority of Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands. 
85% of the Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
93% of the Muslims in Southeast Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
88% of the Muslims in South Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
87% of the Muslims in Middle East/North Africa believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/what-muslims-around-the-world-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/
  1. Worldwide Trends on Honor Killings: 91 percent of honor killings are committed by Muslims worldwide.
https://canadafreepress.com/article/honour-killing-entrenched-in-islam
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2020.08.30 08:36 pineapplecheers Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.

I know this may go against PWCI rules of this sub, but please don’t delete this one.
UK
  1. US Diplomatic Cables: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
  1. Britain’s Ministry of Defence: More British Muslims have Fought for ISIS than have Served in the British Armed Forces.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/21/islamic-state-americans-british/14384045/
  1. NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
  1. NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. ICM Mirror 2016: 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain Would not Report Terror Plot to Police.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
  1. ICM Mirror 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
  1. NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. AlJazeera Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/02/20084915451911371.html
  1. 25% of UK mosques have literature calling for the beheading of lapsed Muslims, ordering women to remain Indoors and forbidding interfaith marriages.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lessons-in-hate-found-at-leading-mosques-wzbwdtb2g0n?wgu=270525_16644_15959047563588_48638ee643&wgexpiry=1603680756&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=4551
  1. Gallup: Zero percent of UK Muslims think homosexuality is morally acceptable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
  1. Policy Exchange 2016: Half of British Muslims would not go to cops if they knew someone with ISIS links.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/
NETHERLANDS
  1. Forum Multicultural Institute: 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.
Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/
SWEDEN
  1. Koopmans 2018: 52% of Sweden Muslims believe that Sharia is more important than Swedish Law.
https://www.svd.se/radikal-islamism-drabbar-alla
  1. AHA Foundation: Six out of ten mosques in Sweden gave women advice about how to deal with spousal abuse and polygamy that contradicted Swedish law.
Six out of the ten mosques visited by the women, who had also claimed that their husbands had multiple wives, told them that they should nevertheless agree to have sex with their husbands even if they didn’t want to.
Six of the mosques also advised the women against reporting spousal abuse to the police.
https://www.theahafoundation.org/six-out-of-ten-mosques-in-sweden-gave-women-advice-about-how-to-deal-with-spousal-abuse-and-polygamy-that-contradicted-swedish-law-a-media-investigation-has-revealed/
GERMANY
  1. Die Welt 2012: 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.html
AUSTRIA
  1. FPO 2014: 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/
DENMARK
  1. Integration Barometer 2018: 27% of young migrants in Denmark say Islamic law should overide Danish law.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803151062553576-denmark-copenhagen-sharia/
  1. Danish Justice Ministry 2020: 76% of Muslims want criticism of Islam criminalized in Denmark.
https://sputniknews.com/amp/europe/202005041079186984-majority-of-danish-muslims-wish-to-make-criticising-islam-illegal-minister-says-integrate-or-leave/
USA
  1. CSP: 51% of US Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
  1. Pew Research: 72% of Muslim Americans support the proposal to build a mosque and Islamic community centre near Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/30/Most-US-Muslims-back-Ground-Zero-mosque/54511314737569/
  1. American Mosques: Correlation Between Sharia Adherence and Dogma Calling for Violence Against Non-Believers.
51% have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence.
30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence.
In 84.5% of the mosques, the Imam recommends studying violence-positive texts.
http://www.meforum.org/2931/american-mosques
CANADA
  1. MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada.
https://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
OVERALL in the Europe
  1. WZB: 65% of Muslims in Europe Want Islamic Sharia Law in Their European Host Countries.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
WORLDWIDE
  1. World Bank: ISIS Recruits are Better Educated than their Average Countrymen.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/isil-recruits-better-educated-than-their-average-countryman-worl/
  1. INSS: 99.5% of all Suicide Attacks in 2015 were Motivated by Islam.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of-452-suicide-attacks-in-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
  1. The Freethought Report 2013: There are now 13 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/atheists-face-death-in-13-countries-global-discrimination-study-220495-2013-12-12
  1. There are 11 places in the world where homosexuals are legally sentenced to death. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/here-are-the-11-countries-where-being-gay-is-punishable-by-death/
  1. There are 9 places in the world that still have stoning as a form of legal punishment. Every single one is officially Islamic.
Stoning is a legal punishment for adultery in Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html
  1. Pew Research Centre: The Majority of Muslims worldwide favour Sharia.
84% of South Asian Muslims favour enshrining Sharia.
77% of Southeast Asian Muslims favour enshrining Sharia.
74% of Middle Eastern and North African Muslims favour enshrining Sharia.
64% of Sub Saharan African Muslims favour enshrining Sharia.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://layman.org/survey-shows-majority-of-muslims-in-favor-of-sharia/
  1. Pew Research: The Majority of Muslims worldwide believe that wives always should obey their husbands.
85% of the Muslims worldwide believe that wives always should obey their husbands.
93% of the Muslims in Southeast Asia believe that wives always should obey their husbands.
88% of the Muslims in South Asia believe that wives always should obey their husbands.
87% of the Muslims in Middle East/North Africa believe that wives always should obey their husbands.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/what-muslims-around-the-world-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/
  1. Worldwidw Trends in Honor Killings: 91 percent of honour killings are committed by Muslims worldwide.
https://canadafreepress.com/article/honour-killing-entrenched-in-islam
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2020.08.13 10:03 pog99 "Aryans sailed to Africa and brought them Iron!"

Where to begin?
Much like my last post on lynching, this was an old internet page that I thought was too stupid to be true.
Here's the first slip and fall into logic and research.
Notice the high instance of R1b in the exact same spot as the origin of the spoked wheel chariot. The most likely way such a genetic hotspot could exist after all those centuries of invasion was if it was the source.
But what could be the reason for the R1b hotspot in Africa, along the Camaroon/ Nigerian border? According to the Chariot map, Aryans were crossing the channel into England around 500BC, so they must have had some seafaring capability in the 6th century BC.
He believes that, paralleling the expansion of Aryans into the British Isles, Aryans used their sailing skills to arrive in Central Africa.
Before anyone starts playing Devil's advocate, it's been known since 2010 at least that the variant of R1b, R-V88, is closer to divergent lingeages within the continent by various Nomadic groups than to Modern Day Europeans or old Aryan DNA. Closest variants outside of Africa are among the least "Aryan" parts of Western Asia, Sardinia and Lebanon.
This post was made in 2015, and had he read deeper into the genetic he wouldn't have made this post.
"The Sao civilization may have begun as early as the sixth century BCE, and by the end of the first millennium BCE, their presence was well established south of Lake Chad and near the Chari River."
[This is the same area as the R1b hotspot]
"Little is known about the Sao's culture or political organisation: They left no written records and are known only through archaeological finds and the oral history of their successors in their territory. Sao artifacts show that they were skilled workers in bronze, copper, and iron. Finds include bronze sculptures and terra cotta statues of human and animal figures, coins, funerary urns, household utensils, jewelry, highly decorated pottery, and spears. The largest Sao archaeological finds have been made south of Lake Chad.
... Oral histories add further details about the people: The Sao were made up of several patrilineal clans who were united into a single polity with one language, race, and religion. In these narratives, the Sao are presented as giants and mighty warriors who fought and conquered their neighbors."
[my bold, italics. ]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sao_civilisation
There is no evidence of iron working anywhere in Africa before this date, yet not only did this group suddenly have skilled metal workers, but they were using it to make coins and jewelry. Creating valid money is something native Africans have not mastered to this day.
Okay, if you were able to withstand the insipid nature of this stream of logic, let me help you.
The Wikipedia page, as of now (not sure what it was like in 2015) clearly shows archaeological work indicates a local development (even hyper-diffusionist Dierk Lange notes how the archaeology, by itself, supports a local development), in fact the lack of writing would make it quite odd to associate its development to such a foreign people.
This data was established at least a decade before this post, another case of lazy research.
There are three major Sub Saharan sites of Iron Metallurgy around 500-400 B.C, Nok in Central Nigeria, Walalde in Senegal, and Urewe in the modern Great Lakes region of Central-East Africa.
The Sao isn't one of those for this interval. The earliest appearance of Iron alone anywhere in the area is Daima at a much later date than Taruga at Nok. Metallurgy for the Sao seems much later. These good, such as coins (which I haven't seen in primary sources) are most likely imported.
Moving on with the stupidity.
"In summary, there is no proof that iron working technology was taken across the Sahara into sub-Saharan Africa; nor is there proof of independent invention. ...
Even though the origin(s) of iron smelting are difficult to date by radiocarbon, there are fewer problems with using it to track the spread of ironworking after 400 BC. In the 1960s it was suggested that iron working was spread by speakers of Bantu languages, the original homeland of which has been located by linguists in the Benue River valley of eastern Nigeria and Western Cameroon. It has been since been shown that no words for iron or ironworking can be traced to reconstructed proto-Bantu..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_metallurgy_in_Africa
The Benue River is the river the R1b invaders would have had to go up to reach the R1b hotspot. That hotspot is right at the point the Benue river crosses from Nigeria into Cameroon. In other words, iron working magically appeared in a spot, and the blacks that lived there did not invent it because they did not invent the words to describe it, instead they borrowed the words from whomever did.
Okay, we already established that the earliest SSA Iron sites are not R1b "hotspots". Here we have a blatant example of manipulation of the Wikipedia entry, where it clearly shows researhc that traces origins for the words to either central Chadic or Proto-Bantu.
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Although some assert that no words for iron or ironworking can be traced to reconstructed proto-Bantu,[29] place-names in West Africa suggest otherwise, for example (Okuta) Ilorin, literally "site of iron-work". The linguist Christopher Ehret argues that the first words for iron-working in Bantu languages were borrowed from Central Sudanic languages in the vicinity of modern Uganda and Kenya,[30] while Jan Vansina[31] argues instead that they originated in non-Bantu languages in Nigeria, and that iron metallurgy spread southwards and eastwards to Bantu speakers, who had already dispersed into the Congo rainforest and the Great Lakes region.
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The Sao were urban in a land of herdsman and subsistence farmers.
Ah, so the Vikings grew Pearl Millet and kept herds of African cattle?
"Even today the remarkable culture of the Kotoko city-states, located south ofLake Chad, impresses visitors. According to oral traditions collected byanthropologists, the founders of the city-states were the Sao from whom theKotoko claim to descend. ...Yet, the question ofthe emergence of the Sao urban culture as such and hence of socialcomplexity remained until recently largely unsolved.
Followers of the Culture History School interpreted the Sao urban culture onthe basis of architectural features, furniture, and techniques as remnants ofan old Mediterranean civilisation that was once wide-spread across theCentral Sudan. It had been swept away “by the Islamic overflow and youngermigrations but retained by splinter groups and pagans as sunken culturalremnants”. On the basis of preliminary archaeological and oral dataspecialists of the Sao-Kotoko culture also first advanced the hypothesis of aMiddle Eastern origin of the town builders south of Lake Chad.
Nowadays, archaeologists agree on a purely local process leading gradually tosocial complexity. They suggest that the Sao-Kotoko towns were protected bytown walls in a middle phase only. According to most recent archaeologicalstudies, the first proto-urban settlements emerged at the western andsouthern fringes of the firgi flood plains around 500 BC. Initially,archaeologists explained this development with a climate model according towhich increasing desiccation led to urbanisation. Yet, further results showedthat the aquatic environment had not substantially changed by the middle ofthe first millennium. Therefore it seems necessary to search for alternativeexplanations for the emergence of social complexity in the Lake Chad area."[my bold italics][In other words, right around the time that Aryans were sailing into England, a group appeared up a river in Africa that started a process of urbanization that can't be explained by environmental reasons. At that very point advanced iron working also just happened to appear.]
"In view of it being impossible to ascribe tothe Sao a distinct linguistic identity, it should be considered whether theethnonym did not originally refer precisely to those people who introducedcity-building and social complexity into the region of Lake Chad."
"Everywhere in the former Borno Empire, the most prominent pre-Islamicinhabitants are called Sâo, Sâu, Sô or Sôo. They are said to having been giantswho built large buildings and produced high, thick-walled clay pots. HenceKanuri consider them town builders and producers of much larger containersthan in use nowadays. In Kawar and southern Fezzan they are thought tohave been the builders of mighty castles. The Kotoko likewise ascribe tothem the imposing clay architecture, the former town walls, and the large claypots that served as storage and burial containers. We are apparently facedhere with old and relatively precise traditions common to Kanuri and Kotoko,which refer to craftsmen no longer in existence."
"The Sao were not at all the autochthonous inhabitants of the Borno Empire asis often assumed. Various traditions confer to them a far-away place of origin..."
The passages are quotes from Dierk Lange, an improbably Hyper-diffusionist that connect medieval African states to Assyrians and the like. Here Lange argues, rather than Aryans, that semites in some shape or form contributed. By comparison Lange is on firmer ground, where at least there are legitmate cultural parallels. The Issues with Lange is the lack of evidence of diffusion beyond his linguistics.
So we see here, this commenter believes that sailing the Benue (from which starting point from the Niger?) Aryans brought Iron to Sub Saharan Africa (which has no relation to the "hotspots") in a manner he speculates to be a "colony" (something that was harder for advanced Europeans to pull off due to severe disease).
The genetic remnants?
"The Bororo Fulani, tall, thin nomads with lighter complexions than their sedentary kin, drive herds of cattle through this region."["this region" = northern Cameroon]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_No...)#Demographics#Demographics)
Ah, the Fulani. A favorite of the Hamitic Hypothesis now reinvented to serve as "Aryans". There are multiple problems. One, the Fulani are Niger-Congo Speakers that arrived to Cameroon in the late Medieval age, not 500 B.C. Two, the highest concentrations are in Chadic speaking groups) in Cameroon, not the Fulani (except for Fulani in Eastern Africa who are thus closer related to local Chadic speakers compared to Western ones). Fulani do seem to provide information on the origin of r1b.
I don't have any particular political or ideological axe to grind, but I thought it was a very interesting theory. It makes me wonder if in 2000 years someone might put forth a similar theory about the genetic peculiarities and myths in the southern tip of Africa.
Anyone familiar with anything you brought up would be aware of these blatant omissions and asinine speculation.
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2020.07.31 12:28 ridonkoulous My Deconversion Story

Hey everyone,
This was originally posted to the exchristian subreddit but it was recommended that I post it here as well.
First, some background:
I (22M) was born in Nigeria and my family relocated to Ireland to live abroad with my Dad when I was 7. I and my siblings grew up there, completing both the rest of our primary and secondary school education. My parents were both devout Christians before and after marriage. So we have always been a very devout Christian family and not only do we hold virtually all fundamentalist Christian beliefs but we also believe very strongly in the devil, witchcraft, ancestral occultism and many types of demons & 'perosnalities' (spirit entities). These sort of beliefs are rife and commonly held in Nigeria so this is where they picked them up from.
This of course, heavily affected how we were raised and right from a very young age (I'm not sure exactly at what age at the time of typing this but according to them we weren't able to pronounce certain letters yet) they had us memorize scripture by reciting them. Fom 10 or 11 years old we were fasting till noon (they believe fasting is an essential part of Christian living-that it "keeps the flesh (body) and its desires subdued and allows your spirit to grow"). I still live with my family and we have to fast till 5:30 every Monday.
When I was a teenager (man I feel old saying that) we had quite a few restrictions on our relationships with other teens our age who weren't Christians and even with Christian families our parents didn't think were trustworthy. We weren't allowed to go out at night or hang out with any friends whose parents ours didn't know. We definitely weren't allowed to visit our school friends' homes because my parents thought "what if the family is hiding something dark and the police found out and we happened to be there?" My parents had a general mistrust of unbelievers due to their beliefs although racism also played a part in this.
We were only allowed to play or hang out around the park behind our house (and even then my mum would get in her car and park in front of one of the houses right next to the park to keep an eye on us, which was SUPER embarrassing because my friends caught on to it and started making fun of me because of it) and it was only until we were 16 that we were allowed to go around our area and see our friends, most of whom didn't live in our area. Facebook and Twitter weren't allowed because they felt it would make me 'wayward'. So any real friendships we had really only existed in school and Church (even other parents' kids were given more freedom than ours ffs) and our friends soon formed stronger friendships with other kids who they could see more frequently, making our only support system our immediate family. As you can imagine, my self confidence and relationship with friends were heavily affected. I was your classic introvert teenager. Shy, socially awkward, not an attractive guy and to make things worse I started losing my hair later on for which I was bullied by classmates.
But at 15 I became a devout Christian myself and did so because I thought I was initially living a life that wasn't 'right'. Though I took my schoolwork more seriously than most, I felt I wasn't serious with my studies because my grades were average, and I was doing some things I wasn't proud of, like being dishonest and not being respectful enough to my parents. I thought that the only way I could make things right was to live the way that I was taught was the only right way to live. So I turned a new leaf entirely and began embracing my parents' Christian beliefs and lifestyle. And my parents were thrilled. They were more than happy to answer any questions I had and further indoctrinated me into the faith. Despite all the problems it caused me in my social life and self esteem, I felt happy that I was living life the right way and felt very lucky to be born into the family that knows the life-saving truth so many others don't.
Internal struggles:
My spiritual life became inconsistent (that's what we refer to our Christian lifestyle as) mainly because of the constant feeling of being left out of a lot of things my friends were enjoying. I couldn't enjoy any conversations other than small talk without getting worried about hearing (and therefore endorsing, as I then believed) swear words or laughing at sex jokes or anything I thought was inappropriate, and 'backsliding' (regressing back into the 'sinful lifestyle'). I didn't live near any of my friends at Church, hell I hardly even had any friends at the Church we went to as most of my old friends were at my former one which we left because we thought some occultic shit was going on behind the scenes.
Anyway, I wanted to enjoy music, going to the cinema (which was also banned), have fun with my friends, be accepted into the big social circle, know so many people there and date the girls I Chad crushes on. I wanted to enjoy a lot of what we consider to be 'worldly pleasures and lusts' and that was what would frequently pull me in. I would temporarily enjoy some of these things before feeling guilty/being made to feel very guilty about it by either a weekly bible study sermon or by my parents, and return to the strict, devout Christian lifestyle. It was like this for over a year.
I struggled internally with sexual arousal & feelings of sexual attraction towards the opposite sex the most. As you can imagine, at that age hormones are raging and these emotions are hardest to deal with, moreso when a very negative connotation is attached to anything remotely sexual. My dad taught me that these were feelings of lust, that they were 'unclean' and were there because some satanic seed was planted into me either through my dream (we strongly believe dreams are hugely significant and that the devil can attack/affect you physically or spiritually through dreams) or by watching/consuming porn or anything of a sexual nature, in order to 'pollute' me and make me perpetually 'lust' after women. It got to a point that I thought sex for pleasure was forbidden between husband and wife! Having a girlfriend of course, is also a big NO and is seen as practising sexual immorality so I was discouraged from developing any friendships with girls, taught instead to keep relationships with the opposite sex superficial.
Corporal punishment and spanking is allowed and seen as a good thing in my family, so anytime my dad or mum caught me looking at inappropriate content online or masturbating, I was beaten thoroughly with a belt either on my hand, all over my body or on my backside and was left with welts on my skin. I also had my phone confiscated. The shaming and punishment made it harder for me to open up about all these intense emotions because I always felt they would have me fast and pray, or punish me for looking at adult content. I became solely reliant on praying to God to 'cleanse' me and get rid of my 'Adamic' nature (sinful nature inherited from Adam) so I could be 'sanctified'. This went on for another year.
6th (Final) Year in Secondary school (2014/15):
As I got older I struggled even more with sexual arousal as a result of having no one to open up to or give me practical advice on how to stop watching adult content, and things were about to get worse in my final year in 2015. I became clinically depressed (though I would only come to realise it a year later) and it absolutely wrecked my life. I couldn't do the simplest of things, let alone homework or studying and I got ripped into by my teachers & parents for my massive slump in performance. I was seen as lazy and unserious about school, especially by my parents and despite efforts to talk me out of the 'laziness' and to take me to a more prayer-oriented Church, nothing changed. It affected my studying for my final exams heavily and I was under huge stress because of it.
It also impacted my spiritual life as it became really difficult for me to read or pray, and I thought it was some kind of attack on me by the devil. I tried all I could to pray away these problems, begging God to take away the horrible feeling of apathy that made life so damn bleak and unenjoyable. I prayed all manner of prayers against evil spirits and demons, but all to no avail. Several months later in the year after so much struggling I eventually concluded that my problems must be because I'm still practicing sexual immorality by watching porn after I had yet again been caught by my Dad on my phone and falsely accused of doing something wrong.
Easter Holidays (Study period for final Exams):
I was punished but this time I was determined to take the opportunity to try and make a U-turn in my Christian life. And for a while, I really thought I had restored my relationship with God. I was no longer masturbating, I was praying regularly and reading the bible, and was even watching Christian movies with the family on YouTube. I wasn't enjoyed any of it, as my depression made enjoying anything literally impossible, but I was rather relieved and satisfied that my ways were right with God.
But that too proved to be a false dawn. And it went steeply downhill from there.
Because I was unaware that stress (from long hrs of studying every blessed day, courtesy of my dad, to help me pass my final exams) is practically a catalyst for unhealthy habits like porn addiction and masturbation (which I had been having a hard time with throughout the year) or that my depression accentuated the problem by making it harder to replace it with healthier, more enjoyable habits, it was only a matter of time before I relapsed back into it and it just became harder and harder to quit. Intense feelings of guilt and shame drove me to try and tell my mum about it, hoping she would be more understanding and less condemning considering my change in behaviour.
I was dead wrong. Her face dropped as she heard me admit it and she went to tell my dad. Like before, I was beaten with his belt and I remember crying to him that I was trying to change, and him saying that the holy spirit was telling him I was lying. From then on I never told them about any of my relapses. I tried my best to overcome my addiction, asking God for forgiveness over and over again after several relapses. It all proved futile.
Eventually, (this part I'll try to recall accurately but the memory is vague for some reason) I think I became so ridden with guilt and fear of God leaving me, but at the same time couldn't stop masturbating, that I began instinctively telling myself that the holy spirit understood me, understood my situation and why I couldn't stop. I got so used to telling myself that, that when I realized this was incompatible with my beliefs, I became afraid immediately and started pleading for mercy from God.
What followed scared me even more. I wasn't able to stop like I had been before after praying for forgiveness. God wasn't answering me. I thought "that's ridiculous!" and prayed again and again and again. No change. No grace to overcome these temptations. I became very afraid and no longer felt safe from the dark horrors the devil could unleash on me. Why on earth was he not answering?! Have I crossed the line?? It took some weeks before the reality of the bizarre situation sunk in. I was alone. I couldn't rely on God to heal me of whatever mental struggles I was enduring (my depression) and I couldn't tell my parents because I would surely be accused of being the one who offended God. But I knew very well I tried my absolute hardest not to. I was seriously stuck.
This state of limbo carried on through the summer and it took its toll on me. I told my dad I didn't want to go to Uni, that I really needed to sort my head out and wasn't ready for the whole life change. But he insisted, believing there was nothing really wrong with me. I got admission into the University of Westminster in the UK to study Biomedical Sciences and so I essentially had to embrace the change of lifestyle as I would now be living on my own.
I was not prepared for that change at all.
Not socially, because my upbringing stifled my social development and social skills, which were further hampered by the severe anxiety I developed. Not emotionally, because I had never ever lived or spent time away from my family, my only support system, before in my life. And of course not mentally, because of all the shit I was going through at the time and as a result, I could no longer maintain my Christian lifestyle. My first year in Uni flopped so badly. My depression grew worse and I couldn't go to lectures at all in campus which was an hour away in the middle of London. I stayed holed up in my room, binge eating and watching anime/YouTube on my laptop. My anxiety was so bad that I could only muster up enough courage to go to the shop to buy food and back.
My dad who was living with my aunt in Harrow would frequently come and check up on me, and when he found out I wasn't attending lectures band and was lying about it, he and my mum ripped into me for being so lazy and unserious. I tried desperately to tell them I wasn't, that I found out I was depressed, but they wouldn't have any of it. They believed that as long as your ways are right with God, mental health should never be a problem. If anything was wrong, it was you for allowing the devil to into your life to plague you with these problems. They also believe that what you say actually happens and that if you literally admit to being depressed then it will happen. So I was essentially in a double bind. If there was no mental health issue (which they wanted to believe) then I was making a mountain out of a molehill and using it as an excuse to be lazy. If there was a mental health problem then I was either committing sin or talking negatively and making it happen.
I would pray and pray and beg for as long as I could for God to help me, to vindicate me and somehow tell them I wasn't at fault, that I was trying so goddamn hard to make the most of my situation, to help me overcome my addiction and anxiety. Nothing changed. I became afraid, scared that I was so vulnerable to evil attacks. My whole life was being wrecked and I couldn't do anything to stop it. And my clinging to the belief that I was the problem, despite how painful it was to tell myself, and that God would forgive and help me was my last desperate attempt at gaining control of the situation.
I did have an incredibly encouraging and uplifting dream of a man of God telling me that I wasn't to blame and that God was impressed with how I'd coped and would reward me, but that was where it ended. It got so bad I started having suicidal thoughts and at one point they grew strong enough for me to want to act on them while I was in my student room. I still believe that the only reason that I was able to call the ambulance and not pick something sharp to slit my throat with that day was because I didn't find anything sharp in my room when looking for it.
My family was shocked to hear this and my mum was rushed to hospital because of the shock though thankfully she recovered well from it. My parents decided that it was best if I stayed with my dad who now lived in Cardiff (in Wales) because of work, and he introduced me to a doctor who was also a devout Christian and attended the same Church. I was actually relieved to meet him, and hoped that FINALLY someone would actually understand what I was going through and not tell me I was the problem. Boy was I wrong! He practically echoed my dad's opinion on the matter, telling me not to accept that I was depressed, that it wasn't going to help, but to instead rely on the power of God to heal me. I was certain that was the last time I was ever going to open up to ANY Christian about my struggles. I'm only ever going to be the fucking problem in their eyes.
That year ended and I spent the summer back in Ireland, receiving nothing but criticism from my parents. I got so sick and fed up with everything at one point that I had a physical fight with my dad and grew distant from my parents even though we were in the same house. It was after this that they were finally willing to admit that maybe I should seek professional help. But they still insisted on me going back to Uni. While I understood their reasons (they felt going into Uni in the same year as my younger brother would boost my confidence and not let my siblings look down on me while I'd stayed at home), I didn't agree with it at all as I couldn't bear the idea of going through the stress of Uni again. But once again, they insisted and I got admission into the University of Central Lancashire.
Unsurprisingly, I had a torrid first and second year and the problems of the previous year resurfaced. I couldn't go to lectures, struggled to complete assignments, and was again blamed for being lazy, complacent and was nearly dropped from the course for not attending enough classes. According to my mum: "I didn't have a lion's heart and couldn't face the reality of life". I was so baffled and confused as to why God was so silent and wouldn't speak to me, but I had no one to help explain these experiences and just had to trust that he would vindicate me, tell my family the truth and make life more enjoyable than it had ever been in a long time, all based on that dream I had. I very slowly started to get better and better and the dream really seemed to be happening after so long. But spiritually things remained the exact same. I didn't get any answers to my questions and prayers on why he wouldn't answer me or give me grace to live as true Christian again.
It was a very puzzling experience, and I did not tell anyone because I didn't want to go through the emotional turmoil of being blamed and wrestling with intense guilt again, especially when I knew full well that I did everything in my power to change. But the more I tried to make sense of it myself, the more baffling it was. Why on earth would God deliberately take away my salvation but heal me physically? Wasn't your soul and eternal fate the most important thing to him? More important than physical or mental health? Why was I getting better physically but not spiritually? When I tried to search for answers in the bible I became so intimidated by the magnitude of the task of finding something I knew was never there, that I was put off from doing so after several attempts. I was in this same limbo state for a long time all the while struggling with porn addiction, anxiety, and pressure from family to improve my grades.
My continuous struggles and my growing irritation at being so stagnant spiritually with God being so damn silent drove me to the point where I was willing to admit that maybe, just MAYBE everything I had been brought up to believe about Christianity wasn't actually true. That took long to admit but and although it felt SO freaking liberating it felt like uncomfortable. How on earth could the entire Church, Pastors, leaders, teachers, my PARENTS, all be wrong about Christianity?? But...I was sure I was doing everything the bible demanded within my power and nothing was changing. That's when I realized that if what I'm going through is valid then I can't be the only one experiencing this. That's when I decided to search for any online exchristian communities and I found this subreddit.
The more I began to learn about dogma and manipulative tactics employed by dogmatic groups, the more my whole view of the world began to change. EVERYTHING I had been experiencing up till this point all made so much sense. Some things I'm still trying to figure out but since March when I joined this subreddit, I have been literally binging atheist/exchristian content non-stop. The idea of not doubting my beliefs was the first thing that changed. After watching a video by the atheist YouTuber Theramintrees on 'Punishing doubt', it was clear how claiming to have the infallible truth and at the same time discouraging doubt was counter-intuitive. How can you say the bible is the literal truth and then not be willing to critically analyse it, but dismiss any valid objection to it as "the deception of the enemy" or deny any form of actual evidence that conflicts with the bible? That's when I realised "faith" is the perfect system for protecting inconsistencies and encouraging intellectual dishonesty.
The concept of hell was something I'd been very scared of my entire life but I overcame that quicker than I expected. Part of this was due to the fact that prior to my willingness to doubt my faith, I believed that despite living in sin, God knew he didn't give me the power not to live that way and wouldn't ever send me to hell for it because he was a righteous judge of man. He surely had SOME reason for this, and I would know it in good time. So when I realized that sending people who have been indoctrinated into other religions through no fault or desire of their own, which will create a powerful bias towards their religion, sending people who have lived genuinely good and selfless lives on earth but for some reason didn't accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, to ETERNAL TORTURE, was unimaginably cruel and immoral. Hell, (in all irony) sending anyone to suffer FOREVER was unnecessarily excessive. The world, as diverse as it is with so many different individual situations is supposed to be judged by one single standard?? Moronic. From then on hell looked a lot more like an effective fear mongering tactic to scare people away from ever doubting than an actual punishment dished out by a supposed 'all-loving' God.
However, the more I learnt the more uncomfortable and intolerant I became of my family's beliefs. The thought of having to leave them/come out as an agnostic to them has been so terrifying that I've struggled to get it out of my head for a good while. Lockdown and the pandemic only made things worse, because we now have to listen to constant sermons of the rapture, hell, dangers of sin and it got to a point where my discomfort became obvious to everyone and I broke down in front of my parents, telling them what I had been through and why I made the decisions I made right from 5 years ago till now.
They said I was wrong for not wanting to open up to anyone, and said I should've opened up to the Church pastor or some other leader. I was quite hysterical at the time and didn't remember to tell them that my experience with the doctor had made me lose all trust in telling any Christian about my mental illness, and I also couldn't open up to them because of how much they'd shame me and punish me for my porn addiction. They also said I was wrong for visiting 'bad' (atheist/exchristian) sites and that that was why I had backslidden.
I WANTED to tell them so damn badly, but I couldn't no matter how much I tried to bring myself to, and the one time I tried opening up about it I was thoroughly beaten by my dad. What other option did I have?? Who did I have to tell that wouldn't point the finger at me, telling me I was the reason for my depression and addiction?? This constant need to pin the blame on someone when their story conflicts with their beliefs is what triggers me the FUCKING MOST. Am I wrong for searching for answers elsewhere when all the bible and God could give me was FUCK ALL?? How many times did I cry and cry, beg and BEG for help from their supposed Almighty God and was left to suffer on my own?? Now they want to try and sell me this bullshit idea that I was the reason I couldn't open up not God. Fucking nonsense.
I need you guys to please tell me if I'm wrong at all or could've done anything different. I tried seeing a therapist at Westminster Uni, but I couldn't go regularly because: 1) The campus was over an hour and a half away and I struggled to even leave my room 2) The sessions weren't frequent at all and 3) During my first session I became paranoid that my counsellor was trying to explain my anxiety away as an issue that had always existed, and not acknowledge that I was going through a level of anxiety I have never experienced before. This deterred me from continuing the sessions.
My parents tried taking me to a therapist in Cardiff but because my mum was always coming with me I couldn't open up fully to the therapist and admit that I was depressed. I was having words put in my mouth and didn't want to tell her not to come as I thought it would cause a load of drama.
I tried so hard these past 5 years to live truthfully as a Christian. How am I then wrong for no longer believing in God for fucks sake??
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